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sanguo-online -

Hi

I had been interested in RTK since I am 14 after playing one of the RTK video game.

Anyway I had been reading the RTK 三国演义－文言文版本and of course the other version.

For me I ma Wei supporter. my favorite is actually Cao Cao..



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It's truly a brilliant novel, no doubt of that, but if you want the official written history of
the era, read the Chronicles instead.

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michfr -

What are some simple things to say in Mandarin to a relative or friend when someone has recently
passed away? Would it be different in the case of Christians, Buddhists, atheists?



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请节哀 jie2 ai1
This is a formal saying used by common people, including atheists.

Another may be 别太难过, which is more suitable for a relative or friend, I feel so.

I don't really know what Christians or Buddhists say in this situation.

For me, once hearing someone passed away, will I probably say nothing to my relatives or friends
but comfort them without words. Silent solace may be the best way, I think.










L-F-J -

~唵嘛呢叭咪吽~










michfr -

What is that in Pinyin and English?

Thanks.










L-F-J -

an- ma- ni- ba- mi- hong

its a chinese transliteration of the tibetan buddhist chant "om mani padme hum". i think every
buddhist probably is familiar with it.

it doesnt really have an exact english translation. its a buddhist chant recited after a
misfortune such as a death, wishing the deceased peace and less suffering to the loved ones.

rather than as a repeating chant, it can just be said once as a blessing. but this is between
buddhists and is usually pronounced in its original tibetan pronunciation. but these are the
chinese characters for it.










rose~ -

I also asked this question and had some useful answers.

Offering condolences

From Skylee:


Quote:

I think the most standard thing to say is (請)節哀順變. But I wouldn't say it to a friend as
it sounds so standard and uncaring. I think I would simply say 你還好吧？ / 不要太傷心 /
需要我幫忙嗎? etc.

From neverbt:


Quote:

请节哀，节哀顺便.












xiaocai -

From F-L-J:


Quote:

唵嘛呢叭咪吽

You must be kidding...

From rose~:


Quote:

请节哀，节哀顺便.

I think we usually write as 节哀顺变.










L-F-J -

thats L F J.

why kidding?










xiaocai -

Sorry, there might be something wrong with my browser... cause what I did was I just copy and
paste.

I don't know, just feel that it will be quite funny if anyone every says it in a funeral to the
family of the deceased.
Maybe somewhere else in China has this custom, but at least not in Sichuan.












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Eduardo -

Hi all, I just have a couple of questions about the process of making up a Chinese name.

I'm taking first year Chinese in college right now, and I was assigned this name:

贡尔华 (Traditional: 貢爾華), read Gòng ěrhuá. My name in western script is Eduardo
Gonzalez.

All was well and good until I learned to use some online dictionaries and found out that the given
name they gave me, 爾華 means something like "you're Chinese."

My questions are, 1. Do Chinese people look at and think about the meaning of the characters of
names, or do they just ignore it and it just doesn't matter if it's nonsensical and silly like
mine is?

2. I played around with a dictionary a little more and came up with 貢恩道 (Gong Endao), does
this sound too simplistic/trite?



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yulu1 -

Sometimes, we'll think about the meaning of one person's name. Though 尔means 你, and 华 means
中华 or 中国, I don't think 尔华 definitely means you're Chinese. I don't think it's not
appropriate as a name for a foreigner. Meanwhile, we don't see one person's name very important.
Anyway, if you don't like 尔华, I think 恩道 is also a good choice for you.










muirm -

Yes, Chinese people definitely think about names in terms of the meanings of each character
(typically just for given names - surnames don't have as much to do with the literal character's
meaning). You can often see this when you introduce yourself to a Chinese person - he quite
possibly will ask you which er3 and which hua2 are in your name so as to understand what your name
means.

Your name sounds like it sacrificed some coolness in meaning to sound similar to your English
name. As for picking a new name, you for sure want to run it by a native speaker. Preferrably, you
want to get an educated native speaker who knows you to pick one for you, or wait until you have
studied for a few years so you have a feel for what makes up an acceptable name. I personally
prefer Chinese names that aren't transliterations of English names - you have much more freedom to
use a more meaningful, more Chinese name.










Eduardo -

Thanks a lot for the replies and advice! To be safe, I'll run Gong Erhua by some other people too,
but at least I know that it's not an emergency to change my name or anything, and that I can if I
choose to. Thanks again.










trien27 -

贡 = Chinese rendition of first syllable of your last name Gonzalez
尔华 = approximation of Edward, English translation of your name.












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yonitabonita -

Having moved away from Wudaokou, I decided I'd check out some of the private language schools on
the east side to save myself a commute.

I'm an upper intermediate/ lower advanced student, and have been out to several schools to see
what they have. Here's what I found:

School: Canjie Mandarin School.

Location: Heng'an Building, South of the Zhaolong Hotel, 6591 0933

Advertising offers: Group classes at all levels, all subjects. They have a maximum of 5 per group.

Price: 30 rmb per 50 minutes. Each class is composed of 2 x 50 minutes. There's also an option to
take 'super small classes' (2 people) for 840Y per month. Private classes: 70Y per hour.

They have no upper-intermediate to advanced classes nor any specialised Chinese classes currently
running. There's one advanced HSK class with 2 people in it but it's up to chapter 15, and is only
due to run for another fortnight. I sat in anyway. The teaching was good, clear explanations,
clear structure, the teacher seemed nice. One student was absent, but the other student in the
class seemed very diligent. She had been studying for 10 years and was already doing a degree at a
Chinese university. I went in the day and the classrooms were empty.

I wasn't keen on joining a class that's about to end in a fortnight. They tried to get me to do a
private class and promised that if they were to find another student willing to do an advanced
level class then they'd roll me over into a regular class.

I attended an intermediate class with my husband, since he wanted to try it out. There were 2
students in that class but one was absent. The teacher was nice, but she wasn't very good. She
followed the book very closely, and when asked to give examples beyond that of the text book, she
wasn't able to. When one student asked for elaboration on a point, she said she had to hurry on to
cover the materials for the day.

Admin: Were attentive and responsive.

School: Juncheng School of Linguistics

Location: Two branches. One in Wangjing, the other at the East Road of Beijing Railway Station.
The walk from the subway was pretty seedy.

Advertising offers: group classes at all levels, all subjects. They have a maximum of 10 per group.

Price: Regular Chinese courses: 3,150Y Monday-Friday, 3 hours per day per 3 months. There's visa
assistance, and will give accommodation assistance. HSK courses 1,200Y per month, Monday to Friday
13:30-15:30. Private classes 80Y per hour (at the school)

There's a one time registration fee of 100Y

When I asked whether they had advanced HSK classes they said that they did. I asked to see the
texts, and they pulled out a textbook with 初中级　written on the cover which I thought was a
bit sneaky. When I pointed out that this was not 高级　they admitted they didn't in fact have
any advanced HSK classes currently available. However,they have an intermediate HSK class which
would be great for my revision blah blah. When I said I wasn't interested in this, they told me
about a newspaper reading class that's about to begin. There's no text for this class. Like the
school mentioned above, they suggested I do a private class. When I said I wasn't interested in
private classes, they tried to hard sell this newspaper class.

There didn't seem to be any students around the place though I was there in the day. They said
that there was a mix of Japanese and 'western' students at their school. Maybe the bulk of
students appear after work.

Admin: generally tried to help. They were patient but gave me a bit of a hard sell.

School: Frontiers

Location: Dongzhimen and Jianguomen.

Advertising offers: Courses designed for all levels, from beginner to advanced, as well as
specialised courses in business Chinese, HSK, current events etc.

Price: 1470Y for 42 hours. (payment done as a packaage) Private classes are 80Y per hour.

I went to the Jianguomen branch and very quickly found out that they had no classes at all. The
branch is new so they have no students yet. They asked their manager if they could set up an
advanced class for me, and a beginning/intermediate one for my husband and the answer as usual was
- 'get them to pay for private class then roll them over when...'

I went to the Dongzhimen branch to see if it was any better. There were plenty of beginning
classes designed for the complete beginner. There were also some lower intermediate classes, but
alas the most advanced class they had was 桥梁　part 1. I asked if they were going to do part 2
any time soon and they said they wouldn't. I enquired about whether there was any possibility of
starting up an advanced HSK class. The person I spoke to quoted a chengyu and asked if I knew what
it meant. I said I didn't. She said that if I didn't know what it meant then attempting the
advanced HSK would be very very hard for me. I got the message.

English is in abundance at the school, notices around the school, pamphlets etc. I'm guessing the
students are mainly westerners.

Admin: were really nice to my husband. They got him to read a text and write some characters and
found a class for him. I went away with a colder feeling. I didn't get any reading or writing
test. Just one chengyu question.

Conclusion:

Trying to lift your mandarin shuiping above the comfortable intermediate - getting by pretty well
- stage can be a bit difficult on the eastern side of town. The demand is high for beginning
Chinese and not at all for upper-intermediate to advance levels. Of course I didn't check out
other schools in this area which are advertising in ThatsBeijing on the basis that their fees were
entirely prohibitive. I also excluded a few schools like the Bridge school, which I'd heard good
things about, based on the fact that they emphasise speaking, but not writing and reading.

I think I'd rather commute to Wudaokou and go to Diqiucun. The classes can be big and the teachers
can sometimes be crappy but they at least run the classes I want any time I want them.



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gato -

Have you tried Taiwan Language Institute (TLI)? They seem to have a very well run operation, from
what people have written about it. They have two branches in Beijing, one at Wangfujing, another
in Chaoyang.

Here is an earlier thread:
http://www. /showth...&highlight=tli










roddy -

Thanks for taking the time to do the write-up, sorry you didn't have more success. Have you
considered putting an ad in the usual places to see if you can find someone else to make up a
class? Might be more effective than waiting for a school to turn someone up.


Quote:


Originally Posted by yonitabonita

The person I spoke to quoted a chengyu and asked if I knew what it meant. I said I didn't. She
said that if I didn't know what it meant then attempting the advanced HSK would be very very hard
for me. I got the message.


That's kind of funny. I like to think that if you'd known it they'd have told you your Chinese was
perfect and there was no need for further study.










Ailisi -

Hi Yonitabonita!
Interested to see your email about your search for upper-int/early advanced classes. I posted a
thread recently hoping to find like-level students who might be interested in getting together for
a small group class at a private language school on the east side of Beijing. I daresay you are at
a higher level than me. I've been stuck in an expat job with cobwebs growing all over my Chinese ~
but looking to study full time from mid-July. If you're interested in discussing it, let me know.
: )
Ailisi










yonitabonita -

Ailisi

Definately interested in not commuting to Wudaokou. If you're willing to do Advanced HSK prep
classes with me, then please PM me and we'll sort it out over email. I've only studied Chinese for
just over a year so I daresay that my Chinese is no where near good enough to be intimidating to
anyone.

Y












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Magnus -

Hi everyone!

I know there's been quite alot written about differerent stroke order sites and tools, though I
would like to know if anyone knows about some really good resources, like
http://www.edu.tw/EDU_WEB/EDU_MGT/MA...en/c8.htm?open ? I am very thankul for having found the
link to this site on chinese forums, though I would need a site like that for simplified
characters. As this site mentioned above is from the taiwanese ministry of education I thought
maybe the mainland china's ministry of education has got something similiar to this one. I would
be very greatful for any tips/help

Thanks for a very nice site



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flameproof -

I like this site, could be a bit more detailed though.

http://www.zhongwen.com/shufa/index.html










OneEye -

ZDT has animated stroke orders for something like 1600 characters.

http://zdt.sourceforge.net/










chinesetools -

http://www.mandarintools.com/shufa.html has links to a lot of different character writing
resources on and off the web.










lokki -

Check this one out before you decide: http://www.chinese-learner.com/write...dictionary.php, It's
the best one I have found so far, and it seems to be missing in that link collection at
mandarintools.










Magnus -

Thank you for your help, I really appreciate it. More suggestions is of course welcome

Here are some of my favourite links:
http://www.radio86.co.uk/ - News about china etc.

http://textbook.adsotrans.com/ - News in chinese

http://www.kangxizidian.com/ - Complete Kang Xi dictionary

http://140.111.1.40/suo.htm - Dictionary of Chinese character variants

http://edu.ocac.gov.tw/home_en.htm# - Resources for learning Chinese

http://faculty.virginia.edu/cll/chinese_reading/ - Short texts and audio

http://edu.ocac.gov.tw/interact/eboo...&Chap=&Sound=N - "Speak Mandarin In Five Hundreds
Words" e-book

http://homepage.mac.com/ccfinder/ - "Chinese character finder"










Koneko -

Just my thought...

I believe learning any languages should be fun, flexible and interesting.
Thus, I don't always follow the strict Chinese stroke order.
If you can remember Chinese characters in your own particular way, by means of writing them in
your preferred order, why change yourself just to accommodate others? Isn't it great to be
different sometimes?

K.










weiwuwei -

Here is a pretty good one that hasn't been posted yet...

http://www.usc.edu/dept/ealc/chinese...lpha/index.htm

I also use zhongwen.com, but the "animated" link only works for simplified characters =/.










skylee -

Interesting. Take a look at this stoke order at the site at #8. This is how I used to write this
word. Then many friends told me that it should be written in the way as in the site at #1 (last
column). I guess it was because we had different teachers. So now when nobody is looking at me I
write from left to right. If I have to use the stroke order input method, I start from the middle.
sigh.










Koneko -

Skylee,

Ha ha... If I were you, I would also write from left to right in both traditional & simplified
forms!

Just curious, did you have to take Chinese calligraphy exams in Hong Kong?
Because we have to do Chinese calligraphy in Malaysia if you choose Chinese subject for your "O"
Level. I hated it so much because my calligraphy was so ugly (We call this type of ugly
calligraphy 鬼画符 in Malaysia)

K.












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buanryoh -

I was wondering if anyone could give me some tips on improving my spoken chinese, not tones,
conversational (i already know around 3000 characters and I'm not sure how many words) without
actually have anyone to respond to what I saw. Basically, I want to improve my Chinese without
having anyone to respond, as I don't currently live in China. Any ideas?

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Koneko -

I think, language acquisition requires interactive involvements.
Of course, you can improve your Chinese without having anyone to respond by verbal repetition,
practising yourself in front of a mirror, etc. But you could progress much quicker if you have the
right environment, say studying in China, having Chinese-speaking friends etc.

K.










OneEye -

Find someone that speaks Chinese and make a point of meeting up every once in a while to practice.
It doesn't have to be a real tutor per se, just a friend or someone willing to help. Once I know
enough to actually converse, there's a guy that owns a Chinese restaurant down the street from me
that is willing to talk to me for a few minutes a few times per week. There's also a Chinese
book/DVD/CD store a couple towns away and the owner teaches me something new every time I go in. I
work in a restaurant, and there are a few Chinese families that request my section when they come
in because I make an effort to say a few phrases to them in their language. They tip quite well
for it, too.

The point is to find someone that doesn't mind helping. It should be do-able.










randall_flagg -

try thinking in chinese. when you walk to the subway, brush your teeth, wait for your toast to pop
out of the toaster, try to actively think in chinese. try it, you'll be suprised!










flameproof -

Read a lot (for fun, not learning material)
Listen a lot (i.e. the Antiwave podcasts)
Watch some Chinese TV, maybe "Pink Lady / 粉红女郎" (Sex & The City, Shanghai style)
Chat online (use QQ, it's also great for voice chat, 99.9% of users are Chinese)
Do whatever you like to do, but in Chinese










ange9s -

You'd be surprised at how many Chinese people in your area would be willing to speak with you in
Chinese if you help them with English as well. Try putting up a note on any local university
bulletin boards, I'll bet you'll get responses.










buanryoh -

Thanks for the help, must of the mentioned methods I am already carrying out, but it just seems
like I am not improving as fast as I want. I found 粉红女郎 on PPstream, so I'm watching that
at the moment!

Marc










Hero Doug -

If you want to work on fluency take a couple pieces of A4 and divide them into equal pieces
(something like a business card).

Write a word on each piece, put them together and shuffel them up. Make sure each work is face up
read to be read (so you can just flip through them).

Look at the first word and start talking (in Chinese of course), include that word in whatever
you're saying as quickly as possible and go on to the second word and include that as possible.
Just get through as many words as you can as quickly as you can and create the story as you go.

The idea is to learn how to recall the words quickly and speed up fluency.












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panny -

Hi, anyone from the UK planning to study in Beijing this fall 2007??



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fourmat -

Hi there,

I'm about to send off my application to start the short term course in Sep 2007. I plan to be in
China a year but thought the short term course would leave me more flexibility than the long term,
incase I wanted to check out BNU or something... still dithering whether to go for the regular or
intensive course though!

Oh yeah, and I'm 23, male from London btw!










niek23 -

Hi,
I'm not from the UK, but from Holland. I applied for the short term course starting in september
too.
I think I will get a reaction from the school soon... since I sent the application about 8 weeks
ago.
Anyway... I hope to get to know some more people here who are also going to study at that time.










victoria.m -

yeah, planning on going september thru til december 2007, have yet to decide on the intensive or
regular as well! When did everyone send off their applications? Still waiting on my new passport
so can't yet! Getting slightly worried...










fourmat -

I sent mine off about 7 or 8 weeks ago so hoping to hear back soon. went for the regular course in
the end.

victoria - I wouldnt worry too much, I think the deadline to apply for courses starting in Sep is
June/July...

no idea what to do about finding somewhere to live, guess I will just turn up at the start of Sep
and stay in a hotel until I can sort something out. would rather find an appartment than stay in
university accomodation...










sofabed -

Hi all,

I am interested as well, but couldn't find the link to the course and accommodation information.
Could someone please help?

Thanks










crazychota -

hey,
im not from the uk, but im going there too as an exchange student!
does anyone know when classes start???
id rather look for a room outside the campus, as far as ive seen, its way cheaper...










niek23 -



Quote:

I am interested as well, but couldn't find the link to the course and accommodation information.
Could someone please help?

All the info can be found here:
http://www.blcu.edu.cn/lzb/lx_back/english/index.htm


-------------------

I got a letter back from BLCU about 2 weeks ago that they accepted me as a language student!
It took them about 10 weeks to reply, so I was getting a little nervous.
So for all the people that are also waiting that long... just be patient
I would give them a call if it took them longer than 12 weeks to reply though










toygirl -

ahah! i just have to say that this thread is so great, cuz i was doing the same thing a year ago!
with all the mixed feelings of nervousness and excitement. this website saved my life, i'm sure i
could've found easier ways to do things, but this forum prepared me the most. a couple things i
wished i would've done different...

1. paid cash for tuition, either with a wire transfer before or with traveler's checks that can be
cashed once you get here. the school charges an extra 3% and my bank charged an extra 1%, but i
think some other student's banks charged them more. it doesn't seem like it's saving you much when
you're paying it, but the money goes so much farther here.

2. i did a homestay and while i really enjoy the experience, i wished that i wouldn't have set
myself to stay here the whole semester. i'm about 30min walk from campus and wish i was closer so
i could be a bit more active with other students. i ride a bike to school and by the time i get
home, i usually don't want to go back out. i could cab it, but china makes you cheap
one of the biggest reasons that i did a homestay is because i didn't want to live at the dorms and
had no clue how i was to try and rent an apt from people that i couldn't really communicate with
in a country that i've never been to. i've found though if you don't want to stay at the dorms,
its awfully easy to get here and find roommates once here. there a couple areas close to the
school swarming with english speaking foreigners and they'll put postings up that they have a room
for rent or are looking for roommates.

3. i did the regular course as opposed to the intensive, and almost everyone i know that is in the
intensive hates it. they have class from 8-12 a 2 hour lunch and class again from 2-4pm, i'm
guessing at least half their class doesn't show up for the second class. i think it would be
better to save your money and if you're really set on learning quickly, put that money towards a
private tutor. much more effective and cheaper.

4. don't bring too much stuff, almost everything is cheaper here, sometimes not as good, but
clothes, shoes, electronics are all pretty cheap and you'll want to take a bunch of stuff back.
one suitcase for essentials, and the other with your favorite munchies! lol cuz unless your
favorites are korean or chinese, they'll be hard to find near the school. and sometimes they taste
funny.

hmmm what else... i never felt really prepared before i left, and i still feel quite retarded now
that i'm here, but it gets better. bring your own towels, the ones here suck. they don't use body
lotion, so if you're used to that, bring a couple bottles. not only do they not use it, but you
can't hardly find it either. i think deoderant is hard to find as well, i haven't looked yet, but
a friend said he had a hard time finding it. for girls, good cosmetic products are hard to find or
expensive, i made the mistake of not bringing my own shampoo and conditioner, if you use any kind
of salon products i think it would be relatively hard to find. but yes, this is all from MY
experience, so if someone knows where to get the good stuff let me know! its possible that all
this stuff is somewhere in beijing, but when you're new and if you're just beginning the language,
its an adventure just getting home from school.

other than that, good luck kiddies! i'm no expert, but i'm here now so if anyone has any questions
i'd be glad to try and help










crazychota -

just sent my application!
anyone knows how exchanges work? and if exchange students enjoy more advantages than regular
students or lgg students?












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is there a word in Chinese that is close in meaning to 'sustainable' in English?

in the context of 'sustainable business model' ie a venture that will not require permanent inflow
of resources but will be capable of sustaining itself. thanks!



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可持续的？










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可持续 / 可持續 (ke3 chi2 xu4) is the usual term










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Shadowdh -

I went to the 3 emperors exhibition and it was pretty good... my only regret (other than it going)
was not setting aside enough time to get a good look...

You can bet your sweet heiny that I will be going to the terracotta warriors exhibition too...



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adrianlondon -

Oriental City is having New Year celebrations, although they seem to be doing it primarily as a
way of protesting its imminent destruct... renovation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6367639.stm










Shadowdh -

Well it looks like I wont be able to make it in this weekend... must go house hunting as it looks
like the one we had will fall through... sigh...










Koneko -

So guys, did you actually attend those events?
Were they good?

I was home during the New Year.

K.










Shadowdh -

no unfortunately as the house hunting continues... hopefully the one we look at tomorrow will mean
an end to it...I will also miss the terracotta warriors exhibit as I will actually be in china...
oh well...












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Peng -

Since I am planning to throw my birthday party, my friend and I decided to get Sushi platter,
Sake, and etc. I want to try out some Chinese Drinking Games.

After I googled "Chinese Drinking Games" or "Jiuling" up, I only understand finger-guessing and
dice game. Animal betting is bit confused (need help here?). I maybe can try this Chinese-Japanese
drinking game.

I didn't go look up 酒令 because I am so awful at reading Chinese...

Anyone know different Jiuling?



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skylee -

Consider these -> http://big5.xinhuanet.com/gate/big5/...nt_8849893.htm

I particularly like "the little bees" - 兩隻小蜜蜂呀，飛在花叢中呀

PS - you can also consider a simplier version of the finger game which is called "15 20". Take a
look -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLI_bojxfI










gougou -

I've seen the finger-guessing game on several occasions, albeit using two hands and guessing
multiples of five (it seems the Chinese genetic structure has become more accommodating to alcohol
over the ages?).

Never heard of the animal betting game, but it seems to be just a variation of rock paper scissors
(or vice versa).

There is another dice game, which seems to me to be the most common drinking game. Every player
gets 5 dice, which he rolls once at the beginning of the game. Every player only looks at their
own dice, then they have to guess how many of a certain number there are, e.g. four 5's, or five
6's. The next player has to increase the bet (either guessing the same amount of a bigger number,
or guessing a larger amount of any number), or open the previous players cup if he does not
believe his guess. 1's are jokers, they count for all other numbers, too - unless somebody has
guessed the amount of 1's already. I have encountered two different regulations concerning the
situation when all five dice are different: in one, you roll again, in the other, you play as if
you had none of any number.

A fourth game I saw for the first time this weekend is about two bees flying into the bush.
Because I wasn't very good at it, I don't recall how exactly it went...










necroflux -

I just played some drinking games in Taipei last night, let me see if I can drudge up any memories
of how the hell they worked.. haha.

The one we played the most goes like this: Initially you play rock paper scissors at the beginning
of each round to determine who goes first (this is only a two person game). Then for each round
you either have two closed fists (沒有 or mei2you3), one open hand (五 wu3), or two open hands
(十 shi2). The object is to guess how many fingers are out in total between two people. So the
number can be 0, 5, 10, 15 (shi2 wu3), or 20 (er4 shi2). Both people start with two closed fists
(0). The person who won the rock paper scissors guesses first and at the same time they speak both
people make their "move" (opening fists or leaving them closed). You have to guess twice in a row
to win. If you guess incorrectly, it's the other person's move.

The other game I played was with a group of people. Each person either holds out 5 fingers or
none. You go around the circle and each person guesses how many total fingers are out (again,
everyone either opens or closes their hand at the same time the person speaks). If the person
guesses right, everyone who had their hands open for that round has to drink! (obviously you could
cheat and never open your hand, but that's no fun, right?)

There were a couple more but they'd be hard to explain without being in person. These are pretty
damn fun already though.










gougou -



Quote:

If the person guesses right, everyone who had their hands open for that round has to drink!
(obviously you could cheat and never open your hand, but that's no fun, right?)

Right, this one I played before, too. (how strange that I should forget...) However, we there was
no possibility to avoid drinking, if somebody guessed right the person before him would have to
drink.










gougou -

Experienced two new ones yesterday. The first one was the Chinese version of spin-the-bottle, I
guess: one person would hold a paper napkin in his mouth. The next person would rip off a piece of
that napkin (of course just using her mouth, too). The piece getting smaller and smaller, there
will come a point where a person has no possibility to rip off another piece (or where the person
holding the napkin will panic and let go of the whole napkin in order to avoid their lips actually
touching...). Either way, who ends up without a piece of paper in their mouth has to drink.

The second one, we played with five people, and you'd take turns ordering people to drink by
finding exactly two people that shared a certain attribute. For example, the two people wearing a
wristwatch must drink. Or, the two youngest must drink. Mostly, people of course would choose
attributes were they knew the results beforehand, but when you end up calling on two people and
only one person, or more than two, had the attributes asked for, you'd have to drink yourself.

In fact, there was a third one, but I don't get it together any more. It started with some lines
of text that you would repeat every round, something like
"今天晚上很高兴，又一次玩。。。“ Forgot the rest. Would anybody happen to know
that?










necroflux -

Haha sounds like someone lost the first two games a few too many times?










jak__ -

If you really want to get serious about it there's a book by Ma Guojun 麻国钧 called
中国酒令大观 that has just about every Jiuling there is in it (like 400 pages worth). I'm
not sure if it's still in print, but its worth checking out！










simonlaing -

Have you ever heard of drinking games, where people can choose to take off clothing rather than
drink? I heard some people playing the dice game with this method. Then I read an article online
about a Madame in HK who through house parties for pop stars and millionaires to meet each other.
They play strip poker type games, and have a password to get in.
The article didn't really have much corroborating evidence other than the person's word of mouth
but it sounded interesting.

Has anyone heard of this? Skylee you're from Hong Kong Right?

Have fun,
Simon










mr.stinky -

not exactly a game, but....

gather six or eight people around a table, in the center is a large bowl (the bigger, the better)
or pot. dump in 3-4 bottles of beer (or beijiu for the very brave). using a soup ladle, go
around the circle, each person feeding a ladle of beer to the person on their right.
lather, rinse, repeat.












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laffy -

Hi

I'm thinking of going for a short course (8 weeks) to BNU some time this Summer. Got a few
questions for anyone who has been there. I'm going up as a complete beginner (unless I decide to
study from some book between now and then). Here goes:

1) I guess the Uni is rather empty in the Summer months - is it better going some other time of
the year in terms of meeting people (especially Chinese) to be able to chat with etc.?

2) Would spending one semester during the academic year rather than doing an 8 weeks short course
be better in terms of teaching quality and volume learnt?

3) Since there is no starting date (at least on the website) for the short courses - how would you
make sure that you start from "Day 1"? How do you progress (if at all possible in 8 weeks) to a
level more advanced than complete beginner in such a structure (or teh lack of it)?

4) What are class sizes like in the short courses?

5) Would you recommend doing a couple of hours extra in the afternoon with a private tutor (to
sort of get the equivalent of an intensive 30hr/week course). If so is there any tutor you
recommend at BNU?

6) For those of you who have been for 1 semester/short course - especially as a beginner - do you
make some reasonable progress in the language within a short time span (provided you make an
effort of course!)?

I appreciate that some of you who will reply would have gone there during the academic year for a
semester (or more). Would be great if you could indicate whether you know if what you say would
apply for the Summer months too! Not sure if they maintain same teaching structure etc.

Another University I have been considering is Beijing Mandarin Academy. I posted a thread in this
forum asking if anyone had heard about it but got no replies....so I guess not! Here's a link to
an agency advertising this school http://www.chinastudyabroad.org/privateschool.htm - it is in
Wudaokou area.

Thanks for your help guys!



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adrianlondon -

A lot of questions! Ok, a lot of answers ...

1. Yeah, and it's Summer, so very hot. You will make more Chinese friends (at BNU) if you study
during the Autumn or Spring semesters. Of course, Beijing is swarming with Chinese people (duh) so
you can make friends outside campus, easily, any time.

2. Will you learn more during a 4-month Semester than a 2-month Summer course? Err, yeah Also
worth noting that the Summer school tends to attract a different type of student - one who just
wants to kill time in the Summer than sonmeone dedicated to learning. The course is different, the
pace is slower, and the dedication (of both students and teachers) is lower.

3. The start dates should be on the website. And .... they are
http://www.bnulxsh.com/images/2004zh...uojiban-en.htm. The dates are fixed, so you progress along
with all the other students who started with you ;)

4. Dunno. I think around 20 per class; that's more than during the semester where there are around
15 per class. However, I'm guessing.

5. Yes and no. Hiring a personal tutor will certainly help you improve. However, it will eat into
your social life. If your primary purpose for coming to Beinjing is to learn Mandarin, then do it.
My flatmate did this, and his spoken ability improved quite a bit. I didn't, but then I came here
to explore Beijing, chinese life, and to meet "real" Chinese people rather than paid tutors. I
also improved quite a bit, but not as much as my friend. Recommendations ... ask the teachers once
you arrive. Some might be willing to help you personally, or can recommend decent people. BNU is
the best place to be to find chinese teachers!

6. I improved a load during my one semester here. It's the first time I've learnt mandarin
formally (I bought a couple of books in London and self-studied). The course moves at a decent
speed, you'r encouraged to do lots of homework, and if you actually finish the semester having
learnt everything taught to you (impossible, but try to get close) then you'll improve greatly.










laffy -

Thanks for that adrianlondon!

So the only course you can attend in the summer is the 5-week one - which I'm not too keen on
since my primary aim is to learn Mandarin and it does look rather less intensive (under 4 hours a
day) - and as you say at a more relaxed pace (thanks for that link).

So attending the fall semester is probably a better bet. That's gonna be tough - convincing the
better half that is!!

Cheers!












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fourmat -

this thread was a great idea roddy! I'm arriving in sep without a clue what to expect from the
rental market in Beijing so this is invaluable!

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Rincewind -

Well Roddy's pictures are making me rather jealous. So I thought I'd upload a few shots of the
place I had last year. The pictures pretty much speak for themselves. However, there are some
aspects that you cannot see. For example, you can't see that the they toilet didn't flush and that
I had to use a basin of dish water to remove my waist. You can't see the damp that developed in
the kitchen during the summer causing the plaster to flake off the wall. You can't see that the
landlady would visit randomly to access her storage in the second bedroom. She had her own key and
would simply knock and enter. On several occasions, catching me in various states of undress. You
can't see that you cannot close the toilet door while you are in the toilet. Nor can you see the
leaky gas pipe on the cooker. You also can't see the shower which was just a hose pipe above the
toilet which I have already said was too small to actually fit inside. The landlady never did any
repairs and I had to fix several things myself.

Needless to say I don't live there anymore. The building was demolished two days after I moved
out. My employer paid the rent. My employer had a reputation for being stingy. Apparently it cost
400 yuan per month but I don't believe that.


























roddy -

Looks alright to me. Personally I think the TV cover marked 'TV' makes up for the gas leak.

Re: my place - it was actually much bigger and better than I needed, but when I was flat-hunting
it came, was right in the area I wanted, and after 2.5 years of living in a glorified studio the
extra space was a delight. Was thinking about moving out and finding a cheaper place but not
really getting around to doing it when the landlord decided to sell it anyway, so that worked out
quite well - got me off my proverbial.

I wouldn't let landlords leave stuff in an apartment I'm renting any more, it's just lazy. Either
move it out, or pay me a storage fee. But don't tell the people I left stuff with in Beijing










Prodigal Son -

Since I just moved into a much cheaper place several days ago with a friend:

Type of accomodation: Rented apartment
Description: 115m2, old building, furnished. 2BR and a study, large living room and two dining
room areas, big kitchen, one bathroom (马桶)
Rent: 1200Y a month, 6 months paid for. Lease started last weekend..
Location: 合江停(SE Chengdu), walking distance from 东门大桥
Found via: online ad, direct from landlord.
Lease: one year, option to leave after 6 months by paying 100yuan and giving notice
Came with: Standard stuff, leather couch that looks it would be Sherlock Holmes', custom cabinets
and shelving built into the walls by the landlord himself. pretty sweet, he's a good carpenter.
Landlord / Building management: Landlord
Notes: I'm living with a chinese friend who just got back from living in Canada for a few years,
so my rent is 600yuan a month. I've never had rent this cheap inside of China before, so I can
take the money I saved and spend it on equipment and traveling. Or just sit around and work less.
I'll post photos if there's a demand, I can't be bothered at the moment.










Rincewind -



Quote:

Looks alright to me. Personally I think the TV cover marked 'TV' makes up for the gas leak.

Ah, but the TV didn't work either.










simonlaing -

Type of accomodation: Rented apartment In Nanjing
Description: 83m2, oldish building, furnished. 2BR , large living room and dining room 3rd
floorareas, kitchen, one bathroom (马桶)
Rent: 1600Y a month, 6 months paid for. Lease started last weekend..
Location: Nanjing, walking distance from zhujiang lu, the computer street
Found via: Agent
Lease: one year, option to leave after 6 months
Came with: Standard stuff, but hard chinese sofa, and futon for second bedroom
Landlord / Building management: Landlord
Notes: Nanjing has great bike lanes with french oak trees spanning them. Not as hot as being one
of the four hot cities of China would make you think. Also Close to a 1912 bar district. Most of
all it is down two alleys and is next to an army base which makes it very quiet.

Compared to Shanghai this is half the price.

Previously 2 years I shared a 2 bedroom plave for 1500, it was old and on the 6th floor right in
the down town 2 minute walk from Nanjing U where I studied before. Bit of a crappy kitchen and
Bathroom but we ate out a lot so it was fine.










muyongshi -

Thought I would jump in on this....

Rental Apartment in Mianyang

Description: 133m2, relatively new complex (quiet, lots of trees, and peaceful), NICELY furnished.
3 bedrooms, large living room and a dining room, kitchen, two enclosed balconies (mid sized) one
off the master and one off the kitchen, and two bathrooms (master bedroom has attached bathroom
with wester, the second is squattie)
Rent: 750Y a month, paid in 1 year terms, 2000 deposit
Location: In Mianyang half way between city center and the college (西南科技大学)
Included: Beds in two bedrooms, 1 desk, massive wardrobe in master bed, coffee table, surround
sound, tv, cable box, couch/love seat/arm chair combo (leather), nice marble dinner table, frig,
counter top stove, etc.
Landlord

If you're jealous let me know.










venture160 -

I'm jealous of anyone living outside of Beijing or Shanghai as the house prices are 1/3 what I
would pay here.

Roddy, where have you moved to now?

anyways, I got a new apartment in Beijing!

Description: Newish building (built in 2005), 65sm apartment with a living room, separate kitchen,
bedroom and a small bathroom with a shower. I like this apartment because facing east is nothing
but ceiling to floor glass that gives me a view of the smog ingested CBD area. The apartment is
fully furnished with Ikea style furniture and comes with a decent TV/DVD player, washing machine,
microwave, stovetop fridge etc.
Rent: 2500Y a month, paid in 3 month terms, 2500 deposit. I got my apartment through 我爱我家
so their cut was 90% of 2500.
Location: You can't beat this location if you are working in the CBD! I am a 1-2 minute walk from
the Guo Mao subway station and a 10 minute walk to my office where I work everyday. Although I am
close to the main rail line that comes into the Beijing station, I am high enough up that I don't
hear anything.










venture160 -

Rincewind:

The picture's dont seem to be working for me.










Rincewind -

Opps, I accidentaly deleted them from the server last weekend.

I moved into a new house, my thrid now, on Monday.

Rental Apartment in Anshan, Liaoning.

Description: 64m2, about 9 year old building located between a kindergarten and a police station,
recently decorated interior in clean condition. 2 bedrooms, kitchen, enclosed balcony (converted
to be extention of kitchen), toilet (modern and working for a change) and a shower. Security door
on bottom landing.
Rent: 800Y a month, paid in 6 month terms, 300Y deposit
Location: Hunan district. About 40 mins walk from the city center or 7 yuan on taxi. Next to 219
park (a BIG park).
Included: One bed (sans matrice), two ring gas hobs, the air between the walls.
Added: Computer desk and chairs to bedroom 2 (830 RMB). Air conditioner (1700 RMB) and matrice for
bed (800 RMB). Internet (700 RMB)

Will put up pictures of new and old once the internet is installed.












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View Poll Results: # of times, on average, you need to write out a character before you can
reproduce it
I am superhuman; I just need to look at them 6 13.33%
1-5 10 22.22%
6-10 9 20.00%
11-15 2 4.44%
16-20 5 11.11%
21-25 3 6.67%
26-30 3 6.67%
31-40 0 0%
41-50 2 4.44%
51 + 5 11.11%
Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll



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Shadowdh -

I voted 6-10 if you mean do I know it short term memory type of thing, but as most say its
repetitive use that commits it to long term... some are easier than others too...



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fulgentius -

To me, this question is unanswerable. I've noticed the single most important factor in how readily
I memorize a character is...wait, make that the TWO biggest factors are:

1) Whether I like the character or not, on an aesthetic level. Seriously, some characters are neat
and I remember them very quickly, whereas other characters look so misshapen or otherwise
unpleasing to me that I may not have them reliably memorized even after a week of doing
flashcards, etc.

For instance, I love 語, it has a nice proportion to it, and it's fun to write. 書 is another
favorite. On the other hand, I think 學 is ugly and a big pain to write, so it took me a while to
get down. I still feel slightly indignant every time I have to write it.

2) Whether some kind of association occurs to me or not. This means that the more complicated
characters (and I'm learning traditional right now) are often easier to learn than simple ones.

So, 雞, to me, was much easier to learn than 七. The first is full of components that you can
link together somehow; it's rich and not hard to come up with some association, even if you don't
know the components from other characters. Whereas in the second case there is little to latch on
to; it's so simple that it's hard to think of it as much more than a few lines.

Blah blah blah.










fulgentius -

Oh, and incidentally, for better or worse I do very little writing/copying of characters. Because
I hate it. So I:

1) Do flashcards till I recognize the set I'm learning.
2) Write each one about ten times to make sure I know how to write them and solidify my recall.
3) Continue doing flashcards in perpetuity.

Seems to work okay.

I just finished my first year, and I find at this point that I can usually figure out how to write
a character without having to consult a book or actually write it out.

The big pedagogical breakthrough I made the other day is making flashcards for sentence patterns
and common constructions. This is making my life oh so much easier, grammar-wise. I wish someone
had told me to do this from the beginning.










roddy -

For the record I haven't voted, as I have absolutely no idea what my answer would be. Over the
years I must have 'started' learning characters at least 4 times, but I've never followed through
and I'm still very much recognition only. For the record I can tell you that repeated viewing of a
character does not result in the ability to write though - otherwise I'd be scribbling off
complete news articles with no problem.

A question to those who use flashcards for learning characters - what's your precise methodology.
Are you looking at 跟 and saying to yourself 'right,thats 很 but with 足 as a radical', or are
you making yourself write it, or trace out the strokes in the air, or what?










gato -



Quote:

A question to those who use flashcards for learning characters - what's your precise methodology.
Are you looking at 跟 and saying to yourself 'right,thats 很 but with 足 as a radical', or are
you making yourself write it, or trace out the strokes in the air, or what?

My situation is similar to yours, Roddy. Although I can read complete books without using the
dictionary too much, I have difficulty remembering how to write even the most basic characters.

Right now I'm using PlecoDict's flashcard system almost exclusively to help me with my write. I'm
going through the list of most frequently used characters, from number 200 to 1000. I'm using the
test settings below, under which PlecoDict prompts me with the pinyin and English definition, and
I have to write the character. I try to test myself on 50 to 100 characters each session. The rank
setting is set so that I have to get a character twice in a row before I can skip the character in
the next session.

The method works well for me, though obviously it's very time-consuming. That's Chinese for you.

http://www.plecoforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=614
To be tested on Chinese writing, you can change the setting so you are prompted with the
definition and pinyin, and you have to supply the characters.
Open Plecodict
Start new flashcard session
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Change the Test and Show settings so that under Test only Defn + Pinyin is ticked










roddy -

Similar to what I've been doing, but I've been taking a more word-orientated approach. I've been
going through a basic level 'learn to write characters' book, then feeding the characters I 'know'
into this and then testing myself on writing words rather than characters, on the basis that
a) I'll remember them better as part of a word than as an isolated character (see above)
b) It's more interesting that way - even some very simple, common characters can combine into
higher level vocab. This way I don't restrict myself to the elementary level vocab the book
suggests.
c) It's helping to consolidate a lot of vocab - stuff I know when I read it, but if I was asked
'hey, what's the difference between A and B' I couldn't answer.
d) I forget what the next reason was. Perhaps I need flashcards for this too.

Problem with this method is that it becomes even more time consuming - the first 400 characters I
fed in converted to a little over 1000 items to test.

Something else I'm considering doing is using listening courses as dictation material - again
it'll be contextual use of characters, and will probably be very good for my currently comical
ability to hold spoken Chinese information in memory.










laowai1980 -

I can't vote for some reason, probably not enough posts on this forum. Anyway, I'm in the initial
stages of learning Chinese (3 months only and less than 200 hanzi learned), I've been using
approach of taking 2 characters per day and writing them down 50-100 times. Now I switched to
taking a set of 20 characters or so and writing them down each day about 20 times each character
over 10 days. The second approach is more fun to me, since I don't get stuck with only 2 hanzi
when it gets boring to write down the same two hanzi over a sheet of paper all the time. With 20
chars it's more interesting and you extend the learning period so I feel my mind absorbs them
better.

As been said, you have to practise characters you had learned over a longer time and then from
time to time, because I feel like some of the earlier hanzi are being lost from my mind. I can
still recognize and read them in text, but I forget the stroke order for example, or generally how
to write them. And it's only been less than 200 hanzi learned. Sounds discouraging but I am not
discouraged actually, I know that 熟能生巧 so just keep going. My initial goal is 300 chars
which should be reached over the next 3 months, the next goal is 1000-1100 chars over 2 years
which covers 80% of the texts (I realize I still may not understand 80% of the text with those).
Then we'll see. t least with 1k chars I won't have to look up every other char in the dictionary,
so it gets more fun from there. Anyway, that's my idea, maybe faulty somewhere but as long as it
works who cares right?










赫杰 -

laowai1980, I think your goals are very sensible and realistic, I just wanted to say (without
knowing how much free time you got) I think learning to write 1000 characters in one year is also
very feasible, so just be careful not to set your goals too low. A little pressure can be a good
thing (again I don’t know how much free time you have to study Chinese)

Roddy,


Quote:

Something else I'm considering doing is using listening courses as dictation material - again
it'll be contextual use of characters, and will probably be very good for my currently comical
ability to hold spoken Chinese information in memory.

Yup, that is what I was going to recommend. When I am reading and listening to Chinese, I
sometimes reserve one part of the brain to kind of run a check on the tones and how to write the
character.

佳节愉快 to everyone out there in Chinese-forums land!

HJ










shivan -

I think it depends a lot on the character. Some characters just stick in your mind. I studied for
4 months now and there are still some chacacters from the first weeks that keep slipping my mind.
Those are the evil evil characters.... as I call them










Gulao -

As far as having them locked in for an exam, 1 - 5 times. Having them memorized forever requires
constant use.












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student_chinese -

I return to you to request aid with this locution. I have some problems with some words. Can
somebody help in the trasncripción from the file into "hanzi"?

Thanks everybody



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imron -

student_chinese, I'm a little curious. This is the second set of audio files you've posted asking
for a transcription. Both sets sound very much to me like they are straight from a textbook, so
I'm wondering what your source of these files is? If they are from a textbook, I would imagine
there must already be a transcription for them somewhere.










lizzy -

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1：春节是中国人最重要的节日。特别是除夕那一天，很多人也要回家过年或
者去买过年要用的东西，所以街上的人特别多。火车站有很多人等着火车想�
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�文已经一年多了。今年是他第一次在中国过新年。虽然他在中国没有家人亲
戚，但是他的中国朋友小李请他一起去他家过新年。










againstwind -

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��的一个小镇，坐火车差不多两个半钟头就到了，很近也很方便。他打算在��
�李家住一个星期，然后再回上海工作。


BTW, like imron, I also wonder where you got this record. Was it recorded by a native speaker? I
just feel she has an Taiwanese,or south, accent.

Besides, there's a small mistake. In the 1st part, 亲戚 is pronounced as qin1 qi1. 戚 generally
should be 1st tone, but here it should be qi5(no tone).










student_chinese -

Hi everybody,
first of all say thanks for your aid.
This locution, like the others, I have a lot, it is of my Chinese teacher, who sends locutions to
me to be perfecting my understanding. She is Chinese, and yes I believe that she is of the south.
These dialogues are related to the lessons of the book "Conversational Chinese"

If somebody wants some locutions say to me and i can send to you.

Thank you










HashiriKata -



Quote:

Besides, there's a small mistake. In the 1st part, 亲戚 is pronounced as qin1 qi1. 戚 generally
should be 1st tone, but here it should be qi5(no tone).

I'd call it a "variation" rather than a "mistake". 戚 in this combination can be pronounced
either as qi1 or qi5.

Edit:


Quote:

If somebody wants some locutions say to me and i can send to you.

Yes, please!










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student_chinese, did you babel fish your posts?










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I would love them jakeshaffer@gmail.com










againstwind -



Quote:

戚 in this combination can be pronounced either as qi1 or qi5.


But here qi1 is really weird......












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aimei -

Seriously, why do Chinese find this so hilarious? Everytime I am in a place where I am probably
the only white person, (which includes the place I live) I have this yelled at me, and after
living here for three months now I'm pretty damn sure this isn't some kind of polite greeting.
When I let the ppl know that I don't appreciate this they just laugh and point....why can't I just
participate in this culture without having my whiteness thrown in my face at every turn? Also when
my boyfriend and I are at the supermarket whatever checkout girl who happens to be there finds it
nessecary to say, "Wo shou hua nimen ting dong ma"? like were some kind of idiots, then proceeds
to giggle with her friend when I inform her that yes, "women ting dong." But getting back to
"Hellooooo...." thing, I usually am greeted with this at least a couple times a day, but I have
only been called a "laowai" once, which is what I usually hear foreigners in China complaining
about being harassed with. Can anyone give any insight into this Hello thing and why Chinese feel
the need to say it so much with complete indifference to any offense taken? Sorry I am really
complaining here but some days I really reach my limit with China......



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C_Smith85 -

http://www.talktalkchina.com/

Everything u ever need to vent about is covered here. it closed down recently but would sill make
for interesting reading when u need to let off stteam.

good luck










imron -

@c_smith85 I was going to say the exact same thing. When the cycle of funk has got you down, TTC
was the perfect place to go to release some steam. And now all we are left with is the google
cache and the wayback machine.

@aimei the post you are looking for is this one... You Say Ha Luo’r, I Say Piss Off

If any of the D's are reading, won't you at least consider putting the archives back up?










Hero Doug -

China has A LOT of racism still, (and no one said other countries don't) and after reading that
archive page I easily spotted a few Chinese people on there who simply don't know the tone and
implication of the way hello is said. This is the problem when the Chinese start to defend
something they simply don't understand, and the racisim get's ignored.

In Canada I say hello every day to so many people, but I say it like a human not like some retard
on the Price is Right.

I think the proof is in the pudding. Remember the fiesty foreigner in Beijing. Many Chinese called
out that guy and denounced him publicly, and even harrased him so much he had to change his phone
number. The fact that Chinese defend this hello behaviour shows they simply can't put themselves
in the shoes of others and thus can't comphrend it, otherwise it'd also be denounced.

There's a huge difference between Hello, and HHHHEEEEEELLLLLLOOOOOOO










aimei -

Thanks for the link to the Hellor piss off on TTC. I have been on that blog a few times before
when I need to rant about China. I think what that guy was saying before about how the "Hellos"
are innocent is crap. If they genuinely wanted to say hi to me, why do 99.9% of them turn, back to
their friends, laugh, and point and me and my bf afterwards?? The only ppl that I think really
just want to greet you are little kids! I also agree with you Hero that there is a lot of racism
here in China, (not saying that the US is excluded from that of course though.) I think it comes
from a unwillingness to understand any other culture that is different from China's, since from
what I have seen here it seems like they take it as a given that Chinese culture is superior. Any
thoughts?










liuzhou -

Ignore it and get on with your life. There is nothing you can do about it.










aimei -

I realize that there is nothing I can do about it, but I was just curious as to why they behave
this way.....










imron -

Putting yourself in someone else's shoes can sometimes be a difficult thing to do, regardless of
nationality. The Helloooo thing (and while we're at it, the laowai thing), is very difficult to
see when it's not directed at you, especially as these are words which aren't negative by nature
(which is not to say that they can't be used in a negative way, just that the words themselves
don't contain this meaning). Even if they see it happen a few times, a Chinese person might still
not think anything of it or see any problem with it.

In fact I have a Chinese friend who used to argue with me all the time that I was overreacting,
that nothing was meant by it, that people were just being friendly etc. It wasn't until I visited
his hometown which was a tiny town in the middle of nowhere, where the calls of helloooo, laowai,
and the stares came in such a constant stream that he actually realised and saw for himself what
it was like, and decided that perhaps after all, my viewpoint had some merit. In fact, it got to a
point where he was so embarrassed by it, that he decided it would be better if perhaps we went
back home and stayed indoors.

As for why they do it, well, for some it's curiosity, others genuinely intend to be friendly, and
others do it for the same reason they might make barking noises when they see a dog - because they
get a kick out of provoking some sort of reaction.

I wouldn't go so far as to say this is racism. It's just that unfortunately, when someone calls
out hello, they don't realise that they are perhaps the 10th (or 100th) person to do so that day,
and that the joke has already worn pretty thin.

In a similar vein, I'm a reasonably tall person (192cm - or about 6'3" for those that don't do
metric) and even in the west, when I meet someone for the first time I'll get comments about being
tall (like I didn't know that already!). Often what one person sees as a novel and fresh comment,
is something that is old and tiring for the person the comment is being directed at.










aimei -

You make some good points Imron. In fact my Chinese friend responded with something pretty
similiar when I questioned her about this phenomenon....she basically said that it may be the
first time that some of these ppl have seen a foreigner and that they are so curious that it's
almost like they can't help themselves from saying something and laughing about it with their
friends and forget that this might actually be offensive.....this actually makes a lot of sense
because we've only had this happen to us in areas not frequented by others, and by construction
workers. Also you're right they could also just be trying to provoke you for cheap "joke," and
don't realize how thin it wears when you hear some many ppl do it everyday. I was very good about
ignoring it for the first two months but today I just reached my breaking point and havd to vent
to some other laowai (thanks for listening!!) At least they didn't get their reaction out of me
though....










Hero Doug -



Quote:

Ignore it and get on with your life. There is nothing you can do about it.

Wow, just bend over and take it eh? You know of course no one is going to stop subtle racism or
annoyances, but you can give one person such an uncomfortable, enlightening, or embarrasing
experience that they'll think twice before doing it again.

As I mentioned above with the Beijing bike thrower, do you think he's going to throw someone's
bike in public again without giving it a second thought? I doubt it. I know I give some things
second thought's after some experiences.

And racisim is becoming a very broad word nowadays. It means the belief that one race is superior
to another, but with such a belief it could lead to unfavourable actions to a race one might see
as inferior.

So I'll rephrase it to "acting differently towards someone who is noticeably a different race
towards in an annoying/demening way".












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