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zozzen -

A couple went to a restaurant in Dongguan, ordered pig's intestine congee. They found something
strange in the intestine, some creamy stuff with weed and pig feather there and they realized that
was pig excrement.
http://www.mingpaonews.com/20071008/ccc1.htm

Thanks God, my experience isn't that worst. I had tea in a cheap restaurant in Shenzhen, and only
found that the tea was fluorescent.

What's your experience?



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gato -

Why the focus on such negatives? Food is one of the last things people complain about China.










simonlaing -

I Love Chinese food in general but I think long term people should have a story to contribute.

It was in 2002, I think around the dragon boat festival time when I was teaching in Suzhou. The
principal Mr. Cao took us 5 foreign teacher out to Wuxi to have dinner on a Boat restaurant.

At the beginning of the meal he say when I was on my One year abroad in Wisconsin, my host family
forced me to eat stinky blue cheese once a week, so tonight I will have my revenge.

So one of the first dishes he brought out was "fresh" Stinky tofu. This was soft and fetid. Like
Roquefort as soon as it entered the room, the whole room stank of it. Shielding his nose my fellow
teacher Andy reached out and to a Chopstick full. He ate it and turned away so I couldn't see his
reaction. "Come on Simon you have to try it you can't insult MR. Cao now." So I followed is his
lead and put half a spoon ful in my mouth ignoring the rank odor assulting my nostrils. It was
like lumpy, fetid, stale yogurt that caused me to dry gag and spit it out into the napkin. Mr. Cao
and the other teachers knew it was terrible taste and didn't eat it. Next came the Drunk Prawns.
Usually shrimp and prawns look pink and white. These were gray and white . This was the first
problem. Then I looked closer and they were still moving . I taken aback. Mr. Cao assured me " Oh
no we have to the sauce that will cook them. " The waiter poured the hot sauce on the prawns and I
her crackling as the the shrimp cooked. After thirty seconds of cook Mr. Cao here try one and put
one in my plate, (I had been working on my inmouth deshelling ability and so put it in my mouth)
As soon as I felt the tickle of their still live legs out it went into the napkin once more. Mr.
Cao and the other teachers howled in Laughter. Thought of the Mini Series V with aliens that ate
live rodents flashed though my head. What am I becoming.

During the later parts of the meal things went smoother with Drinking toasts a plenty. The Bai jiu
flowed that night. Another fellow teacher Nila, was intent on drinking Mr. Cao under with the Rice
wine toasts. Finally we left the restaurant for the long drive back to Suzhou. It was interrupted
twice for Mr. Cao, Mr. Li and Nila to puke on the side of the road. Nila didn't get out fast
enough and I had some of the dinner sprayed on my dress pants.

Back at the school Mr. Cao, still obviously wasted got in his car and drove home. We opted for the
taxi . This was a good learning expereince for me, and it ranks up there with some of the worst
dinning experiences. Anyone else had drunken prawns?










liuzhou -

I lived in Hunan for a couple of years and regularly ate the stinky doufu. The smell is hard to
take, but the taste I found delicious and the perfect accompaniment to gallons of beer!

Drunken shrimp I've also had a couple of times. Can take or leave them. At least they are stunned.
In Japan, I was just served the shrimps running around the plate non-intoxicated. Really tests
your chopstick skills!

Perhaps the thing which amused me most was then deep fried fish which was served with its mouth
still gasping for air! Luckily, I was sitting next to the resident vegetarian who was
appropriately horrified. Hilarious. And delicious! (The fish, not the vegetarian!)










Lu -

The live fried fish caused such an outrage here that the restaurant that used to serve it no
longer does. Rightly so, I think. At least kill it before you cook it.

My worst dining experiences weren't that bad, in comparison. I couldn't care less about a hair in
my food (once found one long black hair baked into a bread, I pulled it out and ate on) but
recently I found three hairs in my beef intestine soup. I told this to the waiter, who came up
with some lame excuse that those weren't hairs, they were supposed to be inside a cow's stomach.
Yeah right.










mr.stinky -

last week after large quantities of baijiu, our table ordered up a batch of deep-fried whatevers.
not a very strong taste, kinda chewy and stringy, but it took the edge off the alcohol. only
after the last one had been eaten did the xiaojie sitting next to me explain that they were
fried pig 'winkies,' and supposedly have 'medicinal' properties. at least they weren't
served raw.










cdn_in_bj -



Quote:

only after the last one had been eaten did the xiaojie sitting next to me explain that they were
fried pig 'winkies,' and supposedly have 'medicinal' properties

Was she secretly feeding you aphrodisiacs to get you "into the mood"? Did it work?










imron -

Haha, yeah that's one to be careful about, but as the saying goes “吃什么补什么”. Anyway
on menus the character to look out for is "whip" e.g. 牛鞭, 羊鞭 Bull's whip, ram's whip etc
(hmm perhaps this post also belongs in the random word for the day thread). You'll find that many
kebab sellers will have this on their menus in addition to hearts, chicken heads, kidneys and
other assorted organs.










mr.stinky -

打死我也不说!










zozzen -



Quote:

Why the focus on such negatives? Food is one of the last things people complain about China.

it's half -half now. Not only locals complain the hygiene conditions and "fake" food, some
provincial government has also introduced stronger rules against "bad" restaurants. In Dengfeng,
you can refuse to pay the bill if chopsticks and bowls are dirty. It seems so great, but now some
restaurants are selling "clean" pack of chopsticks and bowls. Every time you use it, you'll be
charged RMB2.












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elmsoc -

Hi all, I am very interested in getting the Chinese symbol for "happiness" tattooed on my ankle.
The only problem is I cannot be sure about which symbol means happiness and which doesn't! I have
no knowledge of the Chinese language, no experience speaking/writing it, no nothing. so this is
why I need your help!! I have searched online many times and come up with different results and
symbols each time. If anyone can confirm, deny, or even post a picture of this symbol, i would be
very grateful! and please, no guessing! this thing is going on my body for life!!

Below is a picture of two symbols of "happiness" I found on the internet.




Thanks!



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liuzhou -

Why you would want to disfigure yourself with writing in a language you know nothing about is a
total mystery, but here we go.

The character (not symbol) for happiness is 喜. However if you want to be more authentic and look
like slightly less idiotic, you should probably go for 'double happiness' 喜喜 which is the
traditional way to deal with the character - one happiness being a bit mean. This is usually seen
at weddings - not often on ankles.












Lu -

You posted four characters in two words. The top word, huanxi, I know only as the Shanghainese
work for like, love. Afaik it doesn't mean happiness. You can use the second character of it, xi,
that doubled makes 'double happiness', like liuzhou says, used at weddings not on ankles.

You could also consider the second character of the second word, fu, meaning happiness. I've seen
it used on anything from tea cups to curtains, in the west mind you, rarely in China, so why not
on your ankle.

Lastly, perhaps you'd want to reconsider getting a tattoo in a language you have no knowledge of
nor connection with. Have a look at hanzismatter.com for some illustrations of why this is not
necessarily a good idea. And if you're really sure, bring someone with some knowledge of Chinese
to the tattoo parlour, to make sure you don't get it upside down or badly written.










wai ming -



Quote:


Originally Posted by Lu

The top word, huanxi, I know only as the Shanghainese work for like, love. Afaik it doesn't mean
happiness.


Taiwan's 教育部國語辭典 has as the first definition for 歡喜 "快樂、高興。"










Lu -



Quote:


Originally Posted by wai ming

Taiwan's 教育部國語辭典 has as the first definition for 歡喜 "快樂、高興。"


I stand corrected then, if the 教育部國語辭典 says it, it does mean happiness. Still not
the best way to put that idea on your ankle though, I think.










aeon -

Many hanzi tattoo's on westerners are also badly drawn, even if the characters inked are the ones
intended - you need someone who can do the calligraphy properly to get the proportions right.

Please, for the sake of our eyes: don't do it.










dalaowai -

I know loads of Chinese that have something in Hanzi tatooed. A lot of the ones I've seen in
mainland were done in Traditional characters.

I told one of my friends that I'd never get anything written in French or English as I thought it
would look silly and asked him why he wrote something in Mandarin. He replied, "hanzi is not only
a written language, it's also an art." After looking at it that way, I warmed up to the idea of
Hanzi tattoos.

Do be careful, as many others have mentioned, if the tattoo artist isn't native Chinese, the
characters might not look that good. If you do get a native Chinese tattoo artist, be careful that
he's not disgruntled. ;)










greedycat -

[quote] Taiwan's 教育部國語辭典 has as the first definition for 歡喜 "快樂、高興。"

have no idea why use the Taiwan's dictionary as the standard, i think most of chinese would choice
幸福 or 福 to express happiness.










Quest -

囍 is usually reserved for weddings, where you have 2 happy people together.

imo, 幸福 is the least silly of the aforementioned words, not that it's not though to be put on
your ankle..
幸福 means being blessed with success and satisfaction in one's life, and therefore happy.










thph2006 -

I can't help but think of this lovely girl who was recently featured in a news report. She got a
tattoo across her back in a moment of romantic abandon. Some time later after realizing the
mistake she made and just before her wedding she went to a laser tattoo removal clinic and ended
up with a disfiguring 1/2" thick raised scar across her back in the shape of the tattoo. Might be
worth thinking about before taking the plunge.

On the lighter side, when I see 囍 I immediately crave Chinese food since the only place I ever
see it is in giant-sized gold characters on the wall at the restaurant.












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Quote:

I think she still needed to 坐月子, i.e. she still needed to get enough rest and enough
nutrition to recover, though she didn’t need to take care of her
baby.啊，不过她没了孩子啊，她的丈夫和家人是不是还愿意对她这么好啊，��
�就难说了。

Thanks for the clarification, I thought it would be that way...

It being a world war II era show with her being in the army I think made certain restrictions
easier (bathing specifically ) but other things would be hard.

I'm currently gathering more information from a health care provider in the states about some of
these practices.... (just chatting with a friend who is in the industry and thought I would
mention it to them)

All I have right now is that the big thing is for a month of recuperation and bonding with the
baby but nothing more specific than that (this is apparently the standard recommended practice in
the states)...

Side note: apparently it takes about a month for breastfeeding to become easy



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Quote:


Originally Posted by Lu

I don't think all fruits were forbidden, only the 'cold' ones, 'cold' not in the sense of just out
of the fridge, but in the TCM sense. Which would leave plenty of 'warm' fruit that the new mother
can eat.




Quote:


Originally Posted by studentyoung

Indeed. Some fruit and food can help body improve blood circulation and stimulate principle
metabolism, which is called as “warm” or even “hot”, such as hot chilly, ginger, date,
etc. Some fruit and food can slow down blood circulation, hold down digestive enzymes
(抑制消化酶) or some other enzymes and hormones, such as pear, banana, watermelon etc.

In TCM, it believes that a woman just after having a baby must have lost a lot of energy, so she
is weak and tired. The enzymes and hormones in her body mustn’t be in the same level as usual.
At this time, we can offer some food, fruit or even health care product, which can improve blood
circulation, work up an appetite, and add more nutrition to help her recover.


Lu, as you can see, it isn't about the actual temperature of the fruit, according to studentyoung.
In any case, the maxim was no "fruit or cold foods" and not necessarily "cold fruit and cold
foods." Still a bit amorphous and categorical to me, it seems.










Lu -



Quote:

Lu, as you can see, it isn't about the actual temperature of the fruit, according to studentyoung.

That's exactly what I said in the post you quote of me.

I'm getting the distinct impression that we are talking completely past each other... That might
also explain the ongoing discussion we're having elsewhere about cheating/beating men. I suspect
that perhaps we don't disagree as much as we think we do.










gato -



Quote:

I suspect that perhaps we don't disagree as much as we think we do.

Just kiss and make up already.










shanghaikai -

Lu, I was trying to make a point about studentyoung's position, not about what you said. So no
disagreement there. ;)










fireball9261 -

I just want to add some information here regarding 坐月子, and I cannot guarantee they are
scientific, but I will try.

In TCM, 坐月子is not merely to prevent illness. It is supposed to be able to fortify the
women’s constitution, and I have no idea why. I think other TCM experts could provide better
answers.

Also, from what I heard from TCM doctors and old midwives over the years, it is not that western
women do not need坐月子. They also need it. However, there was no tradition of 坐月子, so
they don’t do it. According to my TCM doctors and older women, the effect of not 坐月子 will
eventually catch up with you. The problems might be weaker immune system, less energy, pains in
the womb area, back pains, sore legs, and possibly arthritis. It may be placebo effect like some
of you said, but a lot of modern day Chinese women would not risk it.

Regarding Chinese women’s constitution vs. the constitution of women of other race, I believe
the Chinese women would probably have similar constitution as the westerners if she ate western
style of diet, take western style of nutrition supplements, and did as much sports as the
westerners. It would be even better if her parents and grandparents (for a few generations) also
did the same. I believe there were scientific studies about how diet, nutrition supplements (I
heard some of them are being disproved), and parents’ health effect the health (constitution) of
a person.

The following statements are not scientific, and they are just my observations: I have seen a lot
ABCs (American Born Chinese) had the same constitution and energy as other westerners. However, I
have also seen many Chinese women in my generation (40’s) and younger who have less energy and
less strength than the usual westerners of the same generation. Many of these Chinese women (not
the ABCs) are also very afraid of cold, and this symptom is considered a sign of weaker
constitution in TCM. Contrarily, many ABCs I know do not seem to be as afraid of cold in the same
temperature. I can only assume diet, nutrition, and sports had a lot of impact on these
differences.

I will also provide some of my understandings of the customs of坐月子as followings:

- No cutting of nails, &
- No pulling of eyebrows (I am not sure why just eyebrows either)

I think the original ideas are based on the ideas that nails and hairs of a person is linked to
the person’s energy and blood 精血 (not necessarily the actual blood). Therefore, cutting them
may damage/reduce the person’s energy and blood 精血and, thus, lower the strength of the
person’s immune system.

This belief may also link to the old Confucius saying of “Body, skin, and hairs are all born of
the parents. You should not damage them.” In this case, it’s just a tradition.

However, I believe there are modern studies that linked a person’s health to his/her hairs and
nails. For example, a person who is sick may have more hair loss or brittle nails. Although I
don’t know there is scientific proof that the act of cutting nails or pulling eyebrows may cause
major health problems for women right after birth, I don’t think there is scientific disproof
either.

Btw, I do have swollen eyes for at least 2 days after I pulled my eyebrows.

- No use of cold water to wash &
- No bathing

I believe these rules are to prevent chill and infections. People can still use hot clothes to
wipe themselves off. Also, not washing with cold water is supposed to prevent back pains, sore
legs, pains in the womb area, as well as arthritis in the future. The second part may be placebo
effect, but I did have many women who told me that they started to have back pains because they
don’t follow this rule when 坐月子.

- No use of bath lotions &
- No use of toothpaste

Personally, I think there are too many unknown chemical ingredients in them that they might hurt
the baby through the mother’s milk. Besides, this rule was added in the modern days. Who have
heard of bath lotions and toothpaste in the old days?

- No eating of fruits or cold food

I think this particular rule was explained to death in previous postings. I just want to add that
Chinese do not eat cold or raw food (excluding fruits) in general traditionally because of the
problems of infection. Someone mentioned 涼菜 cold dishes before. Actually, most of the times,
they are boiled or drenched in boiling water first and then disinfected by vinegar and/or garlic.
There are some regional dishes that are eaten raw, such as, the drunken shrimp. They are either
soaked in alcohol first or not eaten by most Chinese any way.

There are also the belief among Chinese that cold food, especially the ice cold food, will cause
belly ache and diarrhea. Since I have the irritable bowl syndrome, they do affect me that way
somewhat. I guess this belief might come from the combination of people getting belly aches and
diarrhea from food poisoning, infectious disease as well as the irritable bowl syndrome by eating
cold food. Thus, the rule about not eating cold-temperature or raw food during坐月子 came into
being.

Of course, there is also the need not to eat food with cold properties in TCM as explained by
others.

- No watching of TV &
- No use of computers

These two rules have also been discussed to death. However, I do want to add one reason I heard
about the rules that has nothing to do with the radiation. It has something to do with the
mother’s posture. To stay in the same posture in front of TV or computer is not good for
anyone’s back especially someone who just gave birth and had extreme trauma to her back and
lower body. Besides, these two rules were also created after TV and computers were invented and
not an ancient tradition. The ancient tradition was not to wash clothing. In the ancient time, the
way for a woman to wash clothing would require her to assume a position similar to sitting in
front of a computer and worse (she needed to bend her top torso also). She also needed to be in
that position for a long time – thus, no washing clothing.

- Eating only of freshly cooked food

I believe it’s just want to make sure the new mother will eat well and not eat the spoiled food.
In the old time, the daughters-in-law generally eat the left over food or food that is no longer
fresh (meaning the food is half spoiled but the family don’t want to waste it.)


- No combing or washing of hair

No washing of hair is to prevent the young mother to take a chill because there were no hair blow
dryers and no good insulation and heater for the house in the past. It is very easy to take a
chill for bathing and washing hair. In the past, Chinese women generally did not wash their hairs
very often for this reason. They clean their hair with a special kind of hair brush called bi ji
(I don’t have the Chinese characters for them).

The rule for not combing the hair is connected to this bi ji. The teeth of this special brush (or
actually comb) are very tight, so it could squeeze out the dirt and oil from the hair. Its teeth
are also very sharp so that they could scratch the skins on the head and remove dirt and dandruff.
I believe this rule is to prevent the new mother accidentally scratches her head with the sharp
teeth of the special comb and causes infection. I knew people still used this kind of comb around
1960’s, but I don’t know whether the combs are still in use in today’s China. I would say
that the new mothers should not use sharp combs or brushes to brush their hair, but I wouldn’t
say that they couldn’t brush their hair at all.










shanghaikai -

I think I've learned more than I wanted to know about you (fireball)...but thanks for your
insights; I found them to be very contextually informative.












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lilongyue -

I'm planning to work as a translator when I've finished my Chinese language studies. Anyone here
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Luoman -

I do oral Chinese translations, mostly about equipment and medicine. But I am not in China.










lilongyue -

Are you Russian? I see that you're in Moscow. Are you working as an interpreter in a business
setting?










trufflepig -

If you're in a first or second tier city, there should be lots of translation companies that would
employ you as a proof reader - not translation exactly but a step closer. Usually pay by the words.

To be a real interpreter you should be qualified - you can get the NAATI qualification in China -
thats the Australian and New Zealand standard (see their website) and is the minimum req for doing
work for government agencies in OZ or NZ in china or at home - or else do the Chinese interpreting
exams. China has its own set of qualifications for interpreters - ur school can help you find more.
I dont know about other countries standards....

The reason for getting qualified is that there is a hell of a lot of people that have done a few
years of chinese at uni but honestly dont speak very well or dont have the commercial or industry
experience necessary to add real value to an operation. Its a headache for companies that dont
speak ANY chinese to have to go through the slow path of finding out neither do you really. Im
talking about quality control.

(HSK is not a very good proof of chinese ability unless you're talking about the upper echelons).

Taking that first step and working for translation companies proof reading, builds your resume too
for when the right opportunity does come along.

all the best.










Luoman -

lilongyue, yes, I`m Russian. I work as an interpreter at business talks and at the process of
installing equipment at factories. I`ve been doing this for five years, and I consider this work
to be full of creativity. It`s a great opportunity to know different types of people, and to
improve your language skills.










lilongyue -

I've been thinking about finding some proof reading type work. What is the usual pay per word? I'm
already talking with a local English magazine about translating news articles into English (mostly
for buliding up the resume), and I'd rather do almost anything other than teach English at this
point (fed up with that). I'd like to give proof reading a try. Anything you may know and can
share would be much appreciated.










trufflepig -

The by the word rate is going to depend on where you are, in likelyhood it may not be as high as
teaching for the same time. Still its a foot in the door.

A guy i know in Nanjing who interviewed at a translation agency - they gave him a translation test
(2hrs?) which evidently he didnt do so great on then they asked him to be a proof reader instead.
That does show though that there's opportunity to be translating directly, not just proofing.

Good idea with approaching the magazine - try approaching local newspapers too, maybe get a weekly
column going, i used to do that in Nanchang years ago - your taste of music movies, life, whatever
(didnt pay well but it was exposure)....also there's been a high profile thing lately with loads
of chinese reporters being busted for stealing articles off the net translating them and fixing
their name to them - you could help those guys out lol
But seriously doing some stuff for the local papers might help a move to CCTV or whatever later
on....

anyway, good luck










lily_spring88 -

hello Lilongyue,

can I know which country do you come from? you study Chinese as your major? that is

really challenging. i do wish you can work well in china, hangzhou?

My major on the opposite, is English. but i never do the translation work, though i like

English very much. just stay at front of the computer for whole day and staring at the

article is just boring for me.

I like do the oral transltion, but few company look for the oral translator. so no chance

for me. in my free time, i do some part time oral interpretation for foreigners to meet up

for the regret then.

I live in shanghai, very near to you.










simonlaing -

Hi lilongyue,

I am doing proofreading and review at the moment for a Nanjing company. Most foreigners do this
kind of QA checking. Since the first translation is rushed through and often of very poor quality,
(not so many articles) it still takes some translating skill.

We also have occasional interpretation gigs which are very interesting . You get to go with
business people around to factories and do consecutive interpreting. The interpretation exam in
China is very difficult some chinese friends have told me. only about 10 % pass. These are the
ones that they hire to do the simultaneous translation at conferences and such. Interpretation
pays well (800 yuan a day ) but it is not regular.

Translation usually pays by the word, though some places have a base salary and then the word
count bonus is on top of that. Try to find a place in China that does a lot of Trade with Russia
so your Russian Skills will be of use. I suggest Dalian, Harbin or Xinjiang.

Good luck,
Simon

P.S. translation can be very tiring and usually doesn't pay as much as teaching. Prepare yourself.










trufflepig -

800 a day?

how come you buggers only paid me 100 a day? - someone was pocketing something there then lol

simonliang is right - it can be very tiring. Both sides hang their problems on you - its often
thankless but at the same time personally rewarding. There's an excellent book called 'Conference
Interpreting' by Valerie Taylor-Bouladon which is pitched at a very high level but written in a
very down to earth style, if anything its useful for talking-the-talk.

The person i mentioned in the above post speaks truly excellent mandarin and is in fact a chinese
medicine doctor, spending all day in the hospital chinese only - he didnt pass the exam tho as he
told me and was offered proof reading instead (which he turned down). You might want to offer to
show the company you have skills outside just mandarin to up your application?












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我现在读的是马克思的共产党宣言还有一本是自然科学历史中很伟大的理论�
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skylee -

I think it is ok, but adding a comma or two might help. Also, mentioning the name of the second
book might make it appear more complete ("more complete", how illogical, haha). Like -

我现在读的是马克思的共产党宣言，还有一本是自然科学历史中很伟大的理�
��，就是達爾文的進化論。










Ari 桑 -

Ah, sweet. Thank you.










mesuper -

I think this may be more in accordance with the rules of Chinese:

-
我现在正在读马克思的《共产党宣言》，还有一本关于自然科学历史的理论�
��著- 达尔文的《进化论》。

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Hi I'm new here and looking for ways to improve my chinese. Holland is the place where i live
since little. I lived in China for a year when i was 8 years old and at school i had pretty much
80+ score on any test. But after a week when i came back to holland and went to a saturday chinese
school my chinese became worse and worse..... i only learnt simplified chinese in china but this
school teaches Traditional. I became more and more confused.
I'm 16 years now and really wish to revive my chinese skills again. The things i lack are reading
writing skills and vocabulary. Conversations are pretty much ok since i do it everyday but the
lack of knowing some complicated words sucks.

I just hate it when i'm reading a chinese sentence and I only know 50% of the characters I'm
reading. I only know Cantonese Hakka and Xinhui dialects (thank god my family tree spreads across
guangdong) and I know Dutch and English too but that's not the point right now.

Anyway I hope this forum can help me through this and looks like many people here can help me out
as well. So I'm looking forward to get off my lazy ass and actually do something about my
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mesuper -

I suppose there are many Chinese studying or working around you, find one and try to make friends
with him/her; Frankly speaking, Chinese are hospital to friends, if you are their friends, they
will spare no effort to help you in all aspects.

I know learning by oneself is a hard thing, I am learning Korean now, I can tell you from my own
experience, if you do something wrong and someone points it out for you, you will make progress in
a short time. I have a friend who can speak Korean, when something turns me down, I usually turn
to her for help, the problems become a piece of cake in her hand while for me like mission
impossible.

Another advice, make some friends using Skype, I believe, those who use Skype in China, are
proficient in English. When you have problems with Chinese, you can talk to them with english.

Good Luck










naturegirl -

I'm a bit confused? You are of Chinese origin, right? And do you speak Mandarin? Cause when you
make friends online to practice speaking Mandarin is probably important.
Or another good idea is start writing diary in Chinese or read novels you really like. Or start
out with Mangas. Anyway, I'm about your age and also grew up abroad. I'd be happy if you contact me










gato -



Quote:

Conversations are pretty much ok since i do it everyday but the lack of knowing some complicated
words sucks. I only know Cantonese Hakka and Xinhui dialects (thank god my family tree spreads
across guangdong)

Do you mean you don't speak any Mandarin? What do they use in Saturday Chinese school?



Quote:

I just hate it when i'm reading a chinese sentence and I only know 50% of the characters I'm
reading.

Yeah, read your news through popjisyo everyday from now on.
http://www.popjisyo.com/WebHint/AddH...s.yahoo.com%2f










Lu -

Try reading something you're interested in. Look up the characters and words you don't know, start
with 10-20 or so new words per week. Find out what they mean, and how exactly to write them (use a
dictionary or ask someone, maybe your parents or a teacher at the Chinese school). Then study them
until you know them. Then start all over again with the next 10-20 words.

Sukses!












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when using the annotator in this beta (with handedict plugin), after it's inital annotation, the
first hanzi is/are being ignored (see below). A subsequent re-annotation remedies this situation,
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So i've tried to copy and paste a sentence into the annotator using handedict and I didnt see the
issue. Is that what you did? Is it specific to handedict? What happens when you use cedict?

Chris










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a) I directly write into the annotator (not copying from a dictionary search
b) I get the same problem when using cedict.












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What do people consider the best western supermarket/drug store in Beijing?

I just stumbled upon Shin Kong Place 新光天地 at the Northeast corner of the DaWang Lou subway
stop. At the basement of the place there is a supermarket that has the best selection of American
food/toiletries I have found. In particular I was able to find Sensitive teeth toothpaste and they
have a huge selection of beef jerkey.

I have been disappointed with Wal-Mart. I am a loyal customer of their's in the States. Over here,
their selection is not any better than Watson's or many of the other local drugstores. Carrefour
also does nothing for me since they are a European brand and I have not found them to carry the
American brands I would be looking for.

Two items I have yet to find in Beijing are Chapstick and Mitchum Deodorant, or any decent
non-scented deodorant/anti-perspirant.

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liuzhou -

Why should Walmart carry US goods in Beijing? They are here to cash in on the Chinese market.

Buy Chinese non-scented deodorant/anti-perspirants. Don't fall for the myth that they don't exist!










tiwi212 -

Try to go to WUDAUKOU subway station (Line 13) then turn to WEST. There is a traffic light then
turn LEFT. On the right side, not far away fr traffic light, you will find so many small store and
also SUBWAY restaurant. Between that store (after SUBWAY rest.), there is Western Store. Most of
them are food product fr all over the world and some are like detergent, vaseline etc (not chinese
brand).

Im not sure what you are looking for is avaliable in this store but why not. The area have so many
university. Thats why you will find so many students fr all over the world there.










Beijingistops -

Head across to Chaoyang District and try out Jenny Lou's, or April Gourmet. These supermarkets
will be a little more expensive but tend to carry more expat lines and imported products from O/S
including the States, Canada, Australia, Nu Zulund, UK and Europe. There are an assortment of
western style supermarkets in the basement of China World Hotel, The Kempinski Hotel, the Lido
etc. These will be even more expensive but you may be lucky in finding what you are after.

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zmblum -

Hey Extrapages and all... responses to Extrapages' response to me



Quote:

awesome. thanks for the post!

you're welcome, it was nothing really


Quote:

i know that your PMs havent been turned on by the admins yet (hopefully, theyll turn it on soon as
ive sent them a message), but could you send me the contact info at the embassy at the bay?

absolutely, thanks for expediting my case with the admins... I'll send contact info when my PM
capabilities are switched on


Quote:

i would love to add it to my "ultra top secret, absolutely brilliant, effing kick-ass CSC contact
list.

any way I could get in on that secret file? I'm also curious about how this whole thing works,
especially since she said she won't send app materials in until the 30th


Quote:

keep us posted with what happens! did you apply to any schools beforehand? how did you complete
the physical exam - just at your family doctor's? also, WHERE did you get your papers notarized
and how much did they cost? are you trying to come to beijing? =]

will keep you all posted ... I did not apply anywhere beforehand. I took the physical at my
University's student health center (I was still eligible there since I graduated last December). I
got my diploma notarized at the University registrar's office for free! And my transcripts are
sent in an official school sealed envelope so I could not get them notarized, and the woman at the
Consulate did not mention a problem with that.



Quote:

sorry for all the questions... just trying to see how you completed your application (because you
definitely did it right for the woman at the embassy to be satisfied that it's complete.) I'm
surprised that they even review each application before they're sent out... and that she caught
that some stuff was missing...! i think you should consider yourself extremely lucky that there's
such a competent person taking care of your application. =]

luck is my middle name.



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any way I could get in on that secret file? I'm also curious about how this whole thing works,
especially since she said she won't send app materials in until the 30th

so basically its a database that im compiling of contact information for those who will try to
apply in the future (too late for this year) - people who are part of this forum and share their
experiences, add more to our knowledge base (but can't seem to find a specific contact/address to
sent their stuff to) will get the contact information for the person they need to contact. that
depends on what country/state they're in. so im going to add your contact to the list for future
applicants in the bay area that (for whatever reasons) may not be able to find the right person.

the contacts i have so far are:
- the main guy in dc - this is who your embassy is going to send the files to
- the main guy for the eu - he handles all the applications of all the eu countries
- now your person in sf
- and waiting for the contact info for the embassy in la

and none of us know how this works, really. all we know is that you need to fill in the
application completely and make sure it gets to someone who knows what the CSC is (and hopefully
is the one who handles the applications) before the deadline. haha!










zmblum -

Thanks for the great advice Extrapages... keep up the good work.










floatingcomma -

Many thanks extrapages and jawshoowa! I'm not in China yet, and I'm a working professional, so not
taking IUP through any universities (so I guess I'm taking IUP as noncredit student).

I also applied for the Blakemore this year and got rejected; looking at who got it this year that
is listed on their website, it seems they are geared more towards supporting students *sigh*.
While looking feverishly for other sources of funding, I noticed a lot were just for undergrads,
so I wish I thought of doing this while I was an undergrad. So for you undergrads out there, sieze
the moment! You might be older and wiser later on in life, but you're be scrounging for money like
me










wl239 -

Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and advice, it's really helpful! Extrapages,
unfortunately I'm also having some difficulty contacting you, and I'm worried I won't be able to
get my PM function turned on and reach you in time. If I have to as a last resort send my
application materials to the China-US Educational Exchange Office at the Chinese Embassy in DC
without a specific contact person, would that be application suicide? Has anyone had to send their
applications to their local/national Chinese embassy without listing a specific contact person on
the envelope? If so, what happened? Thanks in advance!










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Quote:

Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and advice, it's really helpful! Extrapages,
unfortunately I'm also having some difficulty contacting you, and I'm worried I won't be able to
get my PM function turned on and reach you in time. If I have to as a last resort send my
application materials to the China-US Educational Exchange Office at the Chinese Embassy in DC
without a specific contact person, would that be application suicide? Has anyone had to send their
applications to their local/national Chinese embassy without listing a specific contact person on
the envelope? If so, what happened? Thanks in advance!

wl239,
ive asked the admins to turn on PMs for you. they should be on that in a few hours.
I don't think the "China-US Educational Exchange Office at the Chinese Embassy in DC" handles the
CSC. And I don't think it ever makes sense for anyone to send any application for any program
without a specific contact person on the envelope. Have you contacted your local embassy? There
might still be time - each embassy has their own deadlines.

Also, where and how did you get your papers notarized? Did you apply for your school beforehand?
And your physical exam? Did you just get that done at your family doctor's? Anything about the
process you thought might be good for others to know about? Any hiccups you had to work through?










jawshoowa -

Hey all,

Something I forgot to mention about my LA application experience: You don't need everything to be
a notarized copy. This should have been obvious I guess, but I got a little paranoid. The only
things that need to be notarized are those things of which I had a single, official document. For
things like transcripts and letters of rec, for which there can be multiple originals, just send
multiple original copies (just make sure each copy of the letter of rec is hand-signed by the
recommender). This will save money, as notarization cost me about 10 bucks a pop. In the end, the
only thing that really needed to be notarized was the diploma because there is only a single
original copy. The application form, study plan and the health form (I think) can just use regular
photocopies.

I did my notarizing at a place called "We the People" which is a chain, so there ought to be more
of them out there. For others who are silly, like me, and don't really understand this
notarization thing: all you are doing is signing a form in front of witness that states the copy
is an accurate duplicate of the original document which you hold your possession. Ten bucks for
that!

Good luck everyone! Hope to see some of you in Beijing next year!










extrapages -

oh sweet. thanks for the info!
although im an american citizen, i was in korea when i was applying and had to get stuff notarized
there. my experience in korea was similar.
i went to some public law office and had to pay about ten dollars for each notarized page. i
notarized EVERYTHING - even the duplicate of the entire application. =/
I should update the intro page so people dont waste as much money as we did...










wl239 -

[quote=extrapages]woah.

1. your local consulate would be the chinese embassy in florida. call them first - go in person if
possible. i only give the dc information to people who have first done their fair share of the
work and contacted their local embassy. some embassies know of it and have their own contact info,
others have no idea it exists.

2. if you get awarded, they're going to send the package to the address in the states... make sure
you have someone to send it to china for you.

3. i hope youre not planning to get the csc to pay for iup prices.. because they wont. there was a
discussion about this already with floatingcomma on page 12.

4. if you're already in china, that means you already did the physical? so did you just get a
notarized copy of that? but the physicals are valid only for 6 months... they need to still be
valid by the point you re-enter china under the csc scholarship.

5. how did you get stuff notarized in china? unless you were planning to do that in the states?

please post all these answers on the thread where everyone else can see them.

Hi extrapages,

Thanks for your quick reply! To answer your questions:

1. For Florida consulates the local consulate is Houston. I tried contacting them several times
last week but didn't get a reply to my emails, and I can't find anything at all mentioning the CSC
scholarship on their webpage. That's why at this point I'm getting a bit desperate and feel that
mailing it directly to the embassy in DC is the best idea.

2. I've listed my permanent address in Florida on the application, and my parents will still be
there to forward on any correspondence.

3. I'm finishing up my year at IUP now and am planning to use the CSC for a master's degree in
International Relations. From my reading of the CSC, the scholarship can also be used for degree
study of topics other than Chinese language. IUP is associated with Tsinghua, but it is entirely
run and administered by a consortium of universities headed by UC Berkeley.

4. The physical I'm planning to use is the one I got in China in September when I first came, on
the physical papers it says it's valid for a year. So I'm going to get a notarized copy of that.

5. I have my complete application now and am planning to do all the notarizing in the States since
I'll be going home to Florida this Tuesday. I'm going to do the notarizing at my local bank, they
can do it there and I've heard that many local bank branches (including mine) will do it for free.
It's worth checking out as a notarizing option.

Hope others find might find this useful - good luck all!










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has anyone gotten through to csc people in the houston chinese consulate/embassy?
do they even have anyone who handles it? does anyone know?












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First, I recommended to save in Unicode format, not Unicode-8 format, to read in with UTF-16.

Second, the list of words below contains an error:
太太 bu4
ZDT seems smart enough to do a bit of sanity checking on the words being imported; alas, when it
finds a problem, it doesn't always handle it the best, as you noted when the import stopped half
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Third, attached is a file that ZDT will import. File encoding should be UTF-16, Import format
should be 'S P' (since you have simplified characters). HOWEVER, for reasons unknown to me, it
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I forgot one really annoying thing which maybe can be corrected:

I can copy only one line from the search results. If a search have, let's say 3 hits, I can copy
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Quote:

I can copy only one line from the search results. If a search have, let's say 3 hits, I can copy
only one at a time.

Try clicking the 1st line and then shift-clicking, say, the 3rd line. All 3 lines should be
highlighted. Then you can copy them. I do it all the time in the dictionary. It also works in the
flash card lists.

What's interesting is that in the flash card list, you can "select all" and then do a copy, which
copies all, but you can't do a "select all" in the dictionary. No big deal, though, as you can
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I'm currently translating a documentary about the John Frum Movement (from English to Chinese) as
one of my assignments.

I'm stuck on a few sentences. This paragraph is about native tribal men who go swimming in
different areas, and this particular bay is filled with sharks. The men want to go swimming here,
however they are discussing whether or not they see any sharks. One man wants to swim there but
his friends tell him not to. The narrator then says "Shark Bay is one to miss"

Two other expressions that I'm having a hard time with is describing a nearby volcano. "Although
it is not a big volcano, it packs a sky high punch."
the other one is that a man was near an active volcano, he decided to turn back as it was getting
dangerous. The narrator then says "And not a moment too soon."

How could I translate these? I've been stuck on these for a while. Any help would be greatly
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dalaowai -

Anybody? It's my first translation piece and wow, it's much harder translating than it looks. I
now have respect for those people that make the subtitles for pirated DVDs. haha










simonlaing -

"Shark Bay is one to miss"
is a type of idiom proverb so you might use a similar contraction in China
鲨鱼弯不游泳游不了，

it packs a sky high punch."
它打得非常强拳

And not a moment too soon."

the context makes this one weird. the literal meaning is done in enough time, but from context it
means good that they have not taken more steps it would be dangerous..
还走几步就边危险

anyway, the last one is judgement call I think.
have fun,
Simon










Chao Liang -

To simonlaing:
Your translations are all wrong! Because I am Chinese, i can't understand your translations, so
you must be wrong

Your last sentence may be right, because i can understand, but it is: 还走几步就变危险,
not 边危险, 边 is not a verb, ie: 路边


To dalaowai:
Because my english is very good, so I can't understand the three sentances means, can you explain
it using simple english words? Maybe that i could help u










chenpv -

To Chao Liang,

I think Simonlaing's translations are all good.

The first one should be read in this way, '鲨鱼弯/不游泳/游不了' , with a stop every 3
characters. Also notice the word play on '弯' - one can not swim in a waterless bay.

The second one is just perfect '白話', how come you don't understand?

The third one has some traditional literary style, which could be read like
'还走几步/就边危险'. '就' means 'to approach' here.

Hope it helps, Chao Liang.

PS: I am not so sure I get the meaning of this...


Quote:


Originally Posted by Chao Liang

Because my english is very good, so I can't understand the three sentances means













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Quote:

PS: I am not so sure I get the meaning of this...

He means he doesn't understand the three original sentences very well as his English isn't very
good.

Yeah, I know that's not what he typed, but, well, his English isn't very good ;) I find it quite
useful sometimes, this chinese ordered English stuff ;)










Chao Liang -

To chenpv:
Today I think it a long time, now i can put my ideas here, hope u can look it and give some
comments.

1. Shark Bay is one to miss
鲨鱼弯不游泳游不了, through your explain, i finally know the mean of "弯", but it should
be "湾". "弯" is verb or adj. in chinese, not a noun, "湾" is a noun meaning "bay". And
"不游泳" and "游不了" are the same meaning, you can't use it two times in one sentence.
So i think the sentence should be translated to "鲨鱼湾不能游泳", i think the narrator
could say "You can't swin in Shark Bay".

2. it packs a sky high punch
I looked for OXFORD dictionary, "pack a (powerful, real, etc.) punch" have 2 means:
1> (of a boxer) to be capable of hitting sb very hard
2> to have a powerful effect on sb
For "它打得非常强拳", i think it's explained by the 1st, but the 2nd mean is right for that
sentence!
So I think "it packs a sky high punch" will be translated to "但是它威力无穷".
"威力无穷“ is adj., it means "powerful effect". Maybe you can't understand, because your
chinese level just likes my english level. But if let you translate some chinese sentence you know
to english, i think you can do it very well, because your mother language is english, so you can
use it freely, so do i.

3. And not a moment too soon
i think "还走几步就变危险" is ok, or "再走几步就变危险" is ok,
"不久/马上就危险了" is ok, you can choose it by yourself.


To adrianlondon:
That's why i come here, on one side i can improve my english, on the other side i can also try my
best to help chinese learners, so i think the way to improve my english is fun!










dalaowai -

Thanks everyone! Your help is greatly appreciated!










studentyoung -



Quote:

"Shark Bay is one to miss"
is a type of idiom proverb so you might use a similar contraction in China
鲨鱼弯不游泳游不了，

鲨鱼湾——留连者无返——切勿下水！



Quote:

2. it packs a sky high punch
I looked for OXFORD dictionary, "pack a (powerful, real, etc.) punch" have 2 means:
1> (of a boxer) to be capable of hitting sb very hard
2> to have a powerful effect on sb
For "它打得非常强拳", i think it's explained by the 1st, but the 2nd mean is right for that
sentence!
So I think "it packs a sky high punch" will be translated to "但是它威力无穷".
"威力无穷“ is adj., it means "powerful effect". Maybe you can't understand, because your
chinese level just likes my english level . But if let you translate some chinese sentence you
know to english, i think you can do it very well, because your mother language is english, so you
can use it freely, so do i.

打了威猛劲道的一拳



Quote:

3. And not a moment too soon
i think "还走几步就变危险" is ok, or "再走几步就变危险" is ok,
"不久/马上就危险了" is ok, you can choose it by yourself.

危险就在不远处 / 危险将至

Thanks!










Chao Liang -

To dalaowai:

You're welcome! ^-^
----------------------------------
To studentyoung:

1>
" 鲨鱼湾——留连者无返——切勿下水！" I think it may be more complex, how do you
think "鲨鱼湾——切勿下水！"？ Though "留连者无返" is deleted, they are the same
meaning. Do u think?
2>
"打了威猛劲道的一拳?" It can be described to volcano? I think it is described to man. So
"但是它威力无穷" is the right answer.
3>
"危险将至" is better answer than mine. Great!












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Dude, roddy, what's up with the favicon?



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roddy -

You tell me. As far as I can see we haven't got one.










madizi -

What is favicon?

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favicon











freefall -

As far as I can tell we've got one but it's just a transparent image. I think it's time for
something more professional. We must define the essence of these forums in a 16px x 16px icon!










roddy -

Hmmm, seems you are right. Not sure where that came from.

Well, what are you going to do with your 256 pixels?










onebir -

How about a "中F" symbol? Perhaps with a curly scientific "f" centred in the "中". I had a
couple of attempts (attached). Maybe the background should be the lightest blue used on the forum
pages...










Luobot -

How about Roddy’s suitcase (in his avatar) with Onebir’s image or the following characters
superimposed in red: 中论坛.










onebir -



Quote:

How about Roddy’s suitcase (in his avatar) with Onebir’s image or the following characters
superimposed in red: 中论坛.

There's only so much you can fit into a 16x16 pixel square!










freefall -

The reason I want one so bad is because I'm using only favicons in my bookmarks toolbar to save
space.


(Slightly outdated, I've got lots more icons now!)

See the one on the end followed by 'cf'? That used to be my chinese-forums link. Now I've gone
ahead and added onebir's icon which is a definite improvement.










adrianlondon -

How do you add your own icon to a Firefox bookmark? I hope it's possible without an add-on as I've
got enough of those as it is ...












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Hey Xiaolin, I will live in guangzhou too, where you from?
Do you know any net guangzhou maps ?



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Do you know any net guangzhou maps ?

For maps, refer to this thread. It mentions a couple of services that cover all major cities in
China.










xiaolin -

u can try this link :
http://www.johomaps.com/as/china/gua...zhoumetro.html
hope it can help u
anyway, nice to know u
hope we can be friends in GZ
i'm from indonesia
i'll let u know if i'm in GZ
thx










p1234 -

Thank you for xiaolin and gougou's help,

I found a 3D map of guangzhou

http://gz.o.cn/index.jspa

but someone said some information are wrong










med4sure -

Hi guys! i will be a freshmen at the Jinan University this sept. in the International School,
School of Medicine. Any Schoolmates out there?










p1234 -

Hey med4sure, I am freshman in JNU too and in the International School IET( international economic
and trade), where you from?










med4sure -

Hi p1234, I am from Costa Rica, glad to meet you. i'm really looking forward! Do u know any info
about the dorms? cause last time that i went there they told me that i will have to wait until
registration date, which i think it will be a mess because is only one day for registration.










p1234 -

hey med4sure, I think our dorms are different, as i know, you can choose your dorm on registration
date(8th september), all freshmen register on that day, and every year is messy on that day, take
it easy, i am freshman too. where are you now? in guangzhou? are you latino? you got msn or
something?










med4sure -

Hey P1234 i guess i will have to wait till sept 8! Well let me see i am not a latino unfortunately
i am a overseas chinese i am currently living in zhuhai. How about you? ( I know you are from Hk)
Well if you have anything to discuss you can add me: whitesmartkaren@hotmail.com How about your
msn?










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hey med4sure, i added you












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