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ord100 -

I live in the USA which is drifting towards a totalitarian imperialistic state. I do not like it
but it's where I am due to fate. I am thinking of leaving because I am so sick of the government.
BUT...

The laowai china residents have CHOSEN to live in a Communist/Fascist Country. How do you feel
about this? Would you have stayed in Germany in 1936? Do you care about human rights? The CCP is
even worse than the american Rupublican party (that says a lot)

Do you think your status/role there supports the status quo or a change to something better? Do
you care?

Have you read "Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/193...Fencoding=UTF8

Do you Like Living in a Communist/Fascist Country?

This thread may generate some interest.



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owshawng -

Americans are finally waking up to what their government is doing to the Consitution. They can
actually do something about it in the next elections.

Chinese don't have that option. Don't really understand why Laowai would want to try to
permanently live in China. It might be fun for a few years, but I doubt quality of life can
compare to the West, Taiwan, Singapore.










gato -

It's no 1936 Germany, though, nor Italy. It's highly unlikely that your next door neigbhor will be
snatched away in the middle of the night, or any other time in the day. While the mass media is
not free and multi-party elections aren't about to happen any time soon, there is a good amount of
freedom at the personal level, especially if you have some money. The cost of living is low
compared to more developed countries. Even on a English teacher's salary, one can live very
comfortably. That seems to be tempting to many foreigner. There are a good number of folks in the
over-50 age range teaching English here.










geraldc -

If not now, when would have been a better time to live in China? There's no war or famine. The
country isn't divided (with the exception of Taiwan). The rulers are Chinese, the economy is
growing and China is trading with the rest of the world. Your clothes or haircut aren't governed
by imperial edict or govt decree. You can only have one child, but your wife no longer dies in
childbirth and your child generally makes it to adulthood. My relatives whinge and moan about
things, but they admit, their lives have never been better.

When would it have been a better time to live in the US? The 1950s? That was the height of
McCarthyism. '60s and '70s Vietnam war and the Oil Crisis. '80s Reagonomics?

If the choice was mine, I'd pick the '80s as I liked the TV and the pop music

BTW just what changes are being made to the US constitution?










roddy -



Quote:

Do you Like Living in a Communist/Fascist Country?

Read this, and then come back with a more sensible question. Describing China as communist or
fascist attempts to say 'China now = China decades ago', or 'China now = 1930s Germany', which
indicates either an ignorance of or a willful disregard for reality.



Quote:

I am thinking of leaving because I am so sick of the government.

And if you listen closely my friends, you will hear a tiny thud as another piece of democracy dies
and hits the floor . . .










gougou -



Quote:

Would you have stayed in Germany in 1936?

Yes!

If your playing football and your team is losing, do you beg to be substituted? Leaving is no
answer.










wushijiao -



Quote:

Do you think your status/role there supports the status quo or a change to something better? Do
you care?

I think I’ve come into contact with thousands of Chinese students, of which some will go on to
have positions of power in the future. I strongly doubt that I’ve ever taught the next
generation’s Hu Jintao, but I’ve certainly taught many people who will be influential in their
communities and businesses, and will necessarily influence whether China will have the civil
society needed to form a better government.

In the big scheme of things, a lone individual’s determination to boycott a country deemed evil,
in solidarity with the oppressed masses, is probably as inconsequential as an individuals efforts
to do good by positively changing the system from within. Nonetheless, I think it’s more useful
to choose the latter.










mind_wander -

ord100,
This is a very good question, I also living in the USA, but wait until 10 years later and see, if
the USA has changed or not. Yes, I think it good to stay in China for some of the years, however
it is better to stay in the USA because alot of freedom rights(abiding the law). In addition, I do
like to live a country where both sides can respect each other, but you see the gift being a US
citizen has alot of things people take for granted.
Who knows after 10+ years, there would be more people migrating into the US homeland, not refering
to Mexicans (no offense attended). For example, more Asians, Europeans, etc. There are still alot
of people have the American dream and want to come over here because either their government has
too much control over them or either to weak.
The question for you is have you ever thought about this through clearly? Since, the USA is the
youngest country besides the other 300+ years old country.










ord100 -

My question was "loaded" and biased. Sorry Roddy. Thanks for link. As an individual, I cannot
change anything (I live in Chicago which votes for Democratic party candidates - we did not elect
Bush)

I am pissed off these days at both the American and Chinese governments. Especially the American
government because I live here. Americans are losing their freedoms as chinese are gaining theirs.
Ironic isn't it. The US "war on terrorism" is leading to widespread wiretaps, police surveillance,
internet monitoring, and finance monitoring that is targetting all americans.

But, I was trying to evaluate China & Japan as places to "escape to", and was thinking that the
respect for individual rights/democracy might be the most important factor for me because I
dislike governments in general and totalitarian governments in particular.

Again, I apologize for "loaded" and biased posts which tend to occur after returning from pub.

Roddy: Beers on me in Beijing next time, ok?










roddy -



Quote:

As an individual, I cannot change anything

Just move anywhere then, it won't make any difference . . .












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