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gougou -

I've been having a lot of undelivered messages in Skype these days, that will only reach their
recipient hours - sometimes days - after I sent them. Anybody else experiencing these problems? I
would like to know whether the problem is on Skype's end, which unfortunately seems to be the
case, or due to my connection.



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nihaoxiexie -

I find that if people are not online or in invisible mode then the messages are not sent. They
usually get sent after they come online though..

It could be the firewall at your ISP, they could be checking your messages.......

Next time it happens try calling the person and see if it connects of even gets a ring tone. Even
if they are invisible it will still ring..










NewDominion -

I don't think you're alone. I'm having similar problems as well, where skype is unsure who is
online and offline, or whether or not I'm online for that matter. I prefer skype for both chatting
and webcam, but often times I've seen friends tell me on a different chat client, like MSN, that
they are on skype whereas my skype says they are offline. Usually this is fixed after I log off
and log back on. Conversely, sometimes when it displays them offline, messages that I send in the
middle of a conversation mysteriously do not get sent.










Senzhi -

Anyone ever thought that the infamous Chinese Wall of Fire could be causing this?
No matter which chat tool I use, I always have these problems, except for my Chinese contacts.










gougou -



Quote:

except for my Chinese contacts.

For Skype, I've been talking pretty much only to Chinese contacts. Also, more often than not, both
me and the person I was talking too were visible.










reisen -

For me is also like that..........
So now I use gtalk and msn more.










BrandeX -

From Germany? Then it would make sense if it was a firewall issue...












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aafrophone -

where do you think i could find a site that teaches beginning (to intermediate) Chinese grammar?
Any good sites? I prefer 繁體字 but if its all about grammar than i guess i can deal with
簡體字.

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self-taught-mba -

http://berlin.cls.yale.edu/chineseusagedictionary/

Lots of function words with their explaination










roddy -

Haven't looked at it in detail, but that looks like a very useful site - detailed explanations of
the difference between, ie, 又，再。 Don't think I've seen that one before.










gato -



Quote:

Don't think I've seen that one before.

See this, 老板：
http://www. /showth...t=9739#Grammar










roddy -

Thought it might be in there, but wasn't about to check. You'll forgive me for not having
memorized the entire database, I'm sure










gato -

Ok, you are forgiven.










Luobot -



Quote:

Originally posted by self-taught-mba

http://berlin.cls.yale.edu/chineseusagedictionary/

Lots of function words with their explanation

Excellent site ... thanks for that!

I stumbled into a related Yale site, called: Mandarin Essential Grammar

It's more basic and has pinyin in addition to characters. They even include mp3 audio so that you
can listen to example sentences and practice your pronunciation while your at it. It's always nice
to hear the way it's supposed to sound. No registration required.

Major topics include:

- Measure Words For Nouns
- Change of State "le" 了
- Perfective –Le 了 Vs Particle Le 了
- ‘Shì ... de’ (是 ... 的) Construction
- Directional Complements
- The Complement Of Degree
- The Complement Of Result
- The Potential Complement
- Bǎ “把”Construction

It looks like a good place for a grammar beginner (such as myself) to start.

This is a good thread, and I hope others add more links to grammar resources, whether beginner or
more advanced.












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SeekerOfPeace -

Probably the same thing as in English,

A couple of people who are kidding themselves that something like that is remotely possible.



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but the guy at your workplace who stares at a girls picture all day drooling over it, even if they
are just friends you can say he is 谈恋爱

Well I think you can only say he is drooling. Or 單戀 / 單相思. I think 戀愛 is to be in
love. No it is not to court. 談戀愛 shows how we value communication between two people who are
in love.










muyongshi -

Well that was supposed to be the more his friends poking fun at him as he is 发呆ing due to his
utter love for 某某










Luobot -

Definition of Courtship:
"A man pursuing a woman until she catches him."
...

As a stand alone definition, ChinesePod has --
tánliànài
谈恋爱
to fall in love

In their examples, however, the given translation within context is "dating" or "seeing someone,"
as in the following --

父母反对他谈恋爱的原因是怕谈恋爱耽误了学习。
Fùmǔ fǎnduì tā tánliànài de yuányīnshì pà tánliànài dānwu le xuéxí.
The reason his parents are opposed to his dating is that they are afraid it will affect his
studies.

So I would assume that the definition depends on context.

The literal translation, to talk love, agrees with Skylee's emphasis on communication. Of course,
it takes a woman to understand those things without a dictionary.












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Han-tiger -

pandaxiongmao, roddy, and muyongshi:

I wish I could have a chance to make things clarified so as to banish misunderstandings.

A. When I read the original post, there was no reply yet. I thought I was the first reader, and
probably the first replier. I didn’t find pandaxiongmao’s and roddy’s posts until I had sent
my reply. I of course wouldn’t post it if I had read them first.

B. It is clear that is an accident in my post.



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mr.stinky -

you don't need the health cert for the visa from your home country consulate. that is
the case for the houston, tx consulate, and for london according to roddy. in kunming
at least, even if you have the health check done at home, you'll still need to repeat the
process here. the local clinic may accept some records, but only originals, no photo-
copies.

during registration week, yunnan normal will transport all the new students to the clinic
out by the airport. the exam will take about half a day, and cost around 250 rmb.










billiardsmike -

Granted, Beijing is probably different than Yunnan (isn't every single administrative office
different?) but original medical documents from your home country were acceptable. The problem I
had was that I couldn't find out what tests they wanted done. Syphilis is quite often not tested
for in standard exams, but it's one of the requirements here. Therefore, I was forced to undergo
the entire process. You can't have just one test done here.










Loriquero -

same here... forced to do all healt exams again










khyber -

Thanks for all the input.
I think I'll head to the Chinese Embassy in London without any health check documentation and see
what happens.
I'll let you know how I get on.......










LMF1968 -

Hi everybody.

I got offered a job in Shanghai but I discovered, after I accepted the job, that I got HbsAg
virus. I am a carrier of the B Hepatitis virus and I haven't got the disease. I should be working
in banking, so nothing to see with food or beverages... I wonder if this condition would affect my
chances of getting the visa. Looking at the consulate forms, it doesn't seem so but no consulate
has answered back to my question... Thanks a lot for your help.

Regards,
ludovico










stinger -

I was a bit concerend about this also! does anyone know if there is a way around the medical check
either legally or (dare i say it) illegally?










roddy -

Tourist and business (L and F) visas do not require health checks. You fill in a health
declaration form when you enter China, but I can't remember what specific conditions it covers.










gougou -



Quote:

You fill in a health declaration form when you enter China, but I can't remember what specific
conditions it covers.

There is a sample here.










stinger -

I understand all the other entry requirements, i was asking specifically about obtaining a
residence permit and ways of getting round that medical.












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I recently learned the word 否定 in my chinese class. I know that this word means to negate.
However, does 否 mean 不是? Is it a type of 书面语? Can I write something like
他否是我朋友?

Does 非 also have the same meaning?

Thanks



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Quote:

I recently learned the word 否定 in my chinese class. I know that this word means to negate.
However, does 否 mean 不是? Is it a type of 书面语? Can I write something like
他否是我朋友?

Does 非 also have the same meaning?

Thanks

Never seen 否 used in the way you describe as far as I can remember. 非 is usually a kind of not
modifier to a particular word - kind of like 非常 means "not-normal/ordinary" (extraordinary).

Basically all three are usually used to negate something, but they are far from interchangeable.










gougou -

否 you will mostly come across in combinations like 是否 (meaning the same as 是不是) and
能否 (meaning 能不能). While I rarely heard it in spoken Chinese, I've seen it in writing
plenty of times (particularly in questionnaires, where many of the questions will use a 是否
construction, e.g. 您是否觉得 有用？










Han-tiger -

A. subject + be + not +object
eg. He is not my friend. In Chinese, “他不是我的朋友”. Although “否” means
“非，不是”, we never say”他否是我朋友” or ”他否我朋友”. Because, (1)
“否” does not function in such a sentence structure in the same way that “不是”does.
(2) “否是” is not a Chinese phrase at all, we’ve never seen it.

B. “非” has a meaning of “不，不是”. It used to be a hot word in ancient time of
China when coming to say “no” or “not”. While “然” is an opposite word to “非”.
“然” (“yes”) and “非” (“no”) are very rarely used by modern Chinese.










cdn_in_bj -

"非" (in combination with other words) and "是否" are used a lot here in business settings.












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paulwan -

I am devising a way to represent 能 in a user-friendly way (to unprepared English-educated
people, including many overseas Chinese). I propose 'nerng4' because the usual 'nang4' might be
mistaken to rhyme with the English "hang". Comments welcomed.

Similarly,
'derng2 等' (instead of 'dang2') for "wait";
'herng6 恒' (instead of 'hang6') for "constant";
'gerng3 更' (instead of 'gang3) for the comparative;
'merng6 孟' (instead of 'mang6') for Mencius;
'perng4 朋’(instead of 'pang4') for "friend";
etc.

Also, how about
'hohng 空' (instead of 'hung') for "space", "empty";
'fohng 风' (instead of 'fung') for "wind";
'gohng 工' (instead of 'gung') for "work";
'dohng 东' (instead of 'dung') for "east";
'lohng' (instead of 'lung') for "hole", "crevice";
etc.?

These departures from the usual romanisation make one take note and are more intuitive, I think.
No?

btw, this system is nicknamed "I.Can.Spell" for Integrated Cantonese Spelling because it picks the
best from the Yale, Sidney Lau, S.L. Wong, Jyutping, Hong Kong Standard Cantonese, and others.



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in_lab -

If it's anything beyond a one or two-day class, I would trust a teacher more who used one of the
established systems instead of inventing his own. Is there a special reason why you would like to
create a new system?










paulwan -

Yes. Of course if one takes the trouble to learn a system like Jyut6jyt3 ping3yam or the LSHK's,
etc, one gets there eventually. I want one that is intuitively obvious, consistent (which most
romanisation systems are), friendly to an uninitated English-educated person (which includes many
overseas Chinese) and does not have befuddling visuals like "jyutjyu" or "tz" or "qin" or "dz",
etc. It should be immediately usable with the minimum of instruction and initiation.

I hope "I.Can.Spell" wii meet these requirements and will post a proposed chart of Cantonese final
sounds soon. (btw, I am also having a similar discussion in cantonese.sheik.com.uk)










paulwan -

Draft Table of Cantonese finals in I.Can.Spell

'ah'.......'er'......'air'.......'ay'....'ee'.....'oh'.......'or'.......[eu].......'oo'.........ü
aa爸.................eh姐................ee二..............aw我.....eu靴.....oo姑.....ue雨...
元音
aai快.....ai弟......ei四......................................oi爱..................ooi每......
..........-i
aau包....au九...........................iu要....ou老......<--...................................
.......-u
........................................................oey去...............<--....................
...........-y
aam三...um音....em舐..............im店..........................................................
...-m
aan慢....an人.....en円...............in天....oan春....on安....<--........oon本...uen元...-n
aang生..erng更..ehng井..ing英..<--.....ohng同...ong方..eung上...<--...................-ng
aap鴨....ap十.....ep夾...............ip葉.......................................................
.......-p
aat八.....at一............................it熱....oat出.....ot喝....<--.........oot没....uet��
�....-t
aak拍....ak北.....ek石.....ik益.....<--.....oak六....ok惡....eok脚....<--...................-
k

Notes:
1. Items in red colour denote departure from the Standard Cantonese Romanization of Hong Kong.
2. Two new columns, 'ay' and 'oh', have been inserted, modifying the conventional Cantonese vowel
chart.
3. Arrows (<--) show where the sounds in the 2 new columns come from, in the conventional vowel
chart.
4. Comments welcomed.

Reasons for the variance (going top to bottom, left to right of the table):
1. 'um' is proposed instead of 'am' because in English chum, dum, gum, hum, jum, kum, lum, ngum,
sum, tum, um, yum are more like the Cantonese short 'a' than cham, dam, gam, ham, jam, kam, lam,
ngam, sam, tam, yam.
2. The representation of the 'an' sound with the short 'a' is in fact problematic but so far for
computer input 'an' appears the best option.
3. Similarly 'ang' with the short 'a' is problematic. However 'erng' is more unambiguous than
'ang'. ('ung' might be a candidate but is already used in other Cantonese romanisation systems.)
4. The 'h' in 'eh' is used to indicate that 'e' is not to be mistaken as an 'ee' sound.
5. 'ehng' is used to distinguish it from 'eng' because the later is used in hanyu pinyin. The 'eh'
in 'ehng' serves as a prompt for the 'air' sound in 'ehng'.
6. Sounds 'ing' and 'ik' are displaced from the 'ee' to a new 'ay' column to highlight the fact
that 'i' in both of them are more an 'ay' sound than an 'ee' sound.
7. 'ee' is used in place of 'i' for unambiguity and also to distinguish the Cantonese 'see' from
the hanyu pinyin 'si' which is not pronounced as 'see'.
8. The 6th column is created to accommodate the 'oh' sound. It is populated by finals which are
conventionally (but incorrectly, in my opinion) put in one of the 3 columns to the immediate right.
9. 'ou' is conventionally placed in the 'or' column (conventionally spelt 'o').
10. 'oey' is conventionally spelt 'oei' and placed in the 'eu' column (conventionally 'oe').
11. 'oan' (conventionally spelt 'oen') looks and rhymes with the English 'loan', 'moan' and is
conventionally placed in the 'eu' column from which it is displaced into the 'oh' column.
12. 'ohng' is conventionally spelt 'ung' and is displaced from the 'oo' column (conventionally
'u'). because it is not pronounced as 'oong'.
13. 'oat' (conventionally spelt 'oet') looks and rhymes with the English 'oat', 'moat', 'boat' and
is displaced from the 'eu' column.
14. 'oak' (conventionally spelt 'uk') looks and rhymes with the English 'oak', 'soak', and is
displaced from the 'oo' column. It is not intuitively obvious that chuk, duk, guk, huk, juk, kuk,
luk, muk, uk, suk, yuk rhyme with the English 'oak'.
15. 'aw' (conventionally spelt 'o') looks and rhymes with the English 'law', 'saw', 'haw' and is
spelt thus for unambiguity.
16. 'eu' (conventionally spelt 'oe) is a peculiarly Cantonese sound and the spelling is retained
as 'eu' because Sidney Lau and other Hong Kong people conventionally use it. Also spelling it as
'oe' might make it mistakenly pronounced to rhyme with the English 'hoe', 'sew'.
17. 'eok' could have been spelt 'euk' but it is felt that the former is more intuitive. Its
conventional spelling 'oek' might be mistakenly pronounced to rhyme with the English 'oak'.
18. The 'oo' column (conventionally spelt 'u') is spelt thus for unambiguity.
19. The ü sound is difficult to represent. 'ue' is chosen because it is in common usage in Hong
Kong and looks friendlier than the alternative 'yu'. e.g. 'tuen' is more intuitive than 'tyun'; or
'kuen' with 'kyun'; or 'juen' with 'jyun', in my opinion.
20. The objective is to come up with a system that is intuitively obvious to an untutored or
uninitiated person conversant in English and incorporates the better aspects of existing systems
while discarding some of the more undesirable aspects, hence the name "integrated" in I.Can.Spell.












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BeijingMadeEasy -

I've always loved 中 it just seems so... perfect.

But I quite like 河 as well.

I just like them for the way they look and feel, I've always been intrigued why 家 is written the
way it is though.

Anyone else?



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muyongshi -

Not that it really matter but in calligraphy (I don't know why) I love to write 之



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I just like them for the way they look and feel, I've always been intrigued why 家 is written the
way it is though.

What you don't have a pig under your roof??? I bet it was written by a woman who had a pig for a
husband...










yonglin -



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I love to write 之

just because it makes you feel like you're Zorro duh.

i'm a very conventional person, hence tend to like 囍.

喜 on the other hand is a quite horrible character: impossible to fit into a square grid.










magudo -

飛 and 漢










Ari 桑 -

I've always had a thing for 发 and 衣 or anything with an 衣 like thing in it.










muyongshi -



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just because it makes you feel like you're Zorro duh.

You know what...you're right! Absolutely right Never even thought about that 之










Alcides -

I like 是. Something about the way the character flows with pen and brush. It's just nice. I like
the ren part the most.

Alcides.










Qiuyue -

拿 is nice, something with symmetry perhaps.










rob07 -

I like 缸 (gang1 - earthen jug, crock, cistern).










AuroraNing -

"永“












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